US Gov. to shut down

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

It wasn't really a 10% cut. More like about 1%. Still though, baby steps. I'm excited about the republican-planned cut senario.

You mean cut everything that doesn't have a machine gun mounted on it?

[Icu]

I'm pretty sure that was unnecessary.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Icu

I'm pretty sure that was unnecessary.

The truth is always necessary. Republicans get very "defensive" when you suggest cutting the military's budget.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Icu

I'm pretty sure that was unnecessary.

It's whenever I say anything about the conservative side. He gets defensive a lot without looking into the details. I was counting on him to comment about it, but the "truth" argument is a new one.

[Disco Scratch]

This type of government shutdown (scare tactic) is made to scare those who haven’t been around for a while (college students) and are the most easily manipulated.

The days of it being Republicans verses Democrats is over. They’re left wing loons, right wing loons, or progressives. (Wolves in sheep’s clothing).

Notice how this administration seems to be mirroring the last? Things that happened in the George W. Bush era are continuing to happen. Now either you believe President George W. Bush flubbed it up that bad or you can realize the truth.

President George H. Bush (R) is right wing loon.

President Clinton (D) is a left wing loon.

^ Those are the old school loons...


President George W. Bush (R) is a progressive.

Vice President Cheney (R) is a right wing loon.

President Obama (D) is a progressive.

Vice President Biden (D) is a left wing loon.


Presidential candidate John McCain (R) is a progressive.

Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin (R) is a right wing loon.

(I’ll bet we’ll have a similar pairing in the upcoming elections!)

Notice how none of them are just a Republican or just a Democrat and what happened to conservatives? What the title of their party is doesn’t matter, but rather the subtitle because that is where their true agenda lies. If you wish to turn the country around you must understand this fact in order to vote accordingly. Or else history will repeat itself.

Notice how much of a difference these last two presidencies have been from the George H. Bush and Clinton era? Well if the next president is a progressive we’re going to have more of the Bush/Obama like policies. Even if the policies are in opposition of one another it still has taken this country in the wrong direction and it will continue to do so until the American people put those cell phones down and turn off reality television and get involved in our country’s future before it comes to a point beyond repair.

In the minds of progressives the United States is going in the right direction, but I would imagine that hundreds of millions of United States citizens would say otherwise. They just don’t know why things are the way they are.

If we continue to allow these progressives in office there won’t be much of an America left to save…

[Woodsprite]

I think you're oversimplifying the whole issue with "loons on both sides" and progressives. The media (what a surprise) has pretty much sealed the arguments of "loon vs. loon" in what we "should" think of certain people (not to mention some of the people you just listed), that "this person's crazy" and "that person is nuts," when there's really much more to it than that, even with people like Bush, Obama, Palin, and Biden.

People read one or two articles from their own side and automatically assume that it must be the be-all, end-all, word and the way, but they don't ever consider to stop and think, "Wait, did I miss something? Is there something more than just a mainstream claim about this person?"

This is what happens so often among those who adhere to one view so much as to ignore any possible rebuttal against it, thereby defeating the purpose of scholarly judgment and discernment.

[Disco Scratch]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

I think you're oversimplifying the whole issue with "loons on both sides" and progressives. The media (what a surprise) has pretty much sealed the arguments of "loon vs. loon" in what we "should" think of certain people (not to mention some of the people you just listed), that "this person's crazy" and "that person is nuts," when there's really much more to it than that, even with people like Bush, Obama, Palin, and Biden.

People read one or two articles from their own side and automatically assume that it must be the be-all, end-all, word and the way, but they don't ever consider to stop and think, "Wait, did I miss something? Is there something more than just a mainstream claim about this person?"

This is what happens so often among those who adhere to one view so much as to ignore any possible rebuttal against it, thereby defeating the purpose of scholarly judgment and discernment.

Loon in this context is someone who deviates away from what the majority of the people want. If you vote for this person you aren’t really sure what they’re going to do because they never give you a straight answer or they change their point of view to fit the situation. They’re also known for their extremism when dealing with things like the environment or abortion or anything else. (Today they’re all for abortion, but when they’re in office they vote against it). That could be a Democrat or Republican so it can go both ways.

Progressive in this context is similar to a loon, but they are more pressed to do whatever it takes to achieve their agenda and ultimate goal with tunnel vision blinders on. They move in one direction while making people on both sides believe they’re going to help them and do what’s right by them, but they keep moving towards their agenda even if it places the entire country at risk of collapse. Be it war or Wall St. bailouts.

If I was for Democrats or Republicans either way I would still need to understand what the person’s subtitle is to have a compete idea of what their agenda could be, which goes much deeper than a simple generalization. In fact that goes well beyond what the average voter takes into consideration when they vote. Most voters are looking at just the Democratic or Republican tickets and are generalizing their choice based on what they believe a Democrat is or what they believe a Republican is rather than listening to each person and what that person’s core values say about them. I only pointed out the recent players and their subtitles, which were earned based on how well they fit those categories in my personal opinion; to point to a pattern. That’s not to say things wouldn’t or couldn’t change. I’m not saying all the people on one side are “this” and all the others on that side are “that.” I said what we’ve had has been “this.” All I did was point that pattern out. I kept it simple using terms everyone has heard before so I’m not forced to write a ten page explanation of the meanings wile also throwing my view in there because I’m not trying to personally change anyone’s mind or actually partake in this debate.

My strategy is to get people to say; "Wait, did I miss something? Is there something more than just a mainstream claim about this person?" (Or group of people).

If you or anyone else is able see that I’ve found an interesting pattern if that person really cares about this country they would do the necessary research (not in just one place) and educate themselves and not just take my word for it.

By pointing to this pattern and how things have progressively become worse it is in my opinion that the United States would tumble down the hill crashing at the bottom if we continue with more of the same. (Voting people in based on their party alone). So the point of my first post was to highlight the fact that you can no longer generalize this as Democrats verses Republicans game because if you play it that way you’re playing a dangerous game.

Once America falls I do not believe it would ever fully recover if at all. As with anyone else I would like to prevent that, but to prevent something you must first find the problem. The problem is well beyond "It’s the Democrats fault!" or "It’s the Republicans fault!" You must look at who’s making this happen and why.

Alright, now I'm going to go to bed.