Spirituality subforum

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Human No More

That's a dissent-free zone. I also assume that based on the typical sense of entitlement, it will only go one way and that the people who are given special privileges for this subforum will still feel free to complain about anything that doesn't follow subjective belief.

I understand that bit, I'm wondering how forbidding debate avoids a de-facto dissent-free zone. (i.e. the thread) If you're not allowed to spark debate, that's functionally identical to not being allowed to disagree with the OP.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Eltu

First off - it would not be a debate section, so there would be no debating spirituality.

...and there's an issue - I assume you would have no problem arguing with those who think from a logical point of view as you have done in the past, but think that threads on 'spirituality' should be exempt from this.

I cannot see your point, sorry to say. Maybe someone else can reply to this in a way that does it more justice.

OK, fine.
If, for example, there was no music subforum, and I wanted to create one, but one for metal only, people who liked other kinds would quite rightfully have an issue with that - they would want equal ones for their own music, although doing so would still be completely redundant compared to creating a single one for all types.

Yet again: I would tentatively support a section with a neutral name and implication which allows discussion of both where the perspective can be given from the context of the thread, but this counter-suggestion has been consistently ignored as it was not what was originally asked for. Again, look at the thread for Community Support - it reached an agreeable state, which was highly improved from the original idea.

[Fkeu'itan]

I'll input on this soon, likely tomorrow, when i'm not so tired and can think straight.

All i'll say is... GET READY FOR A SH*TSTORM.

Na, but seriously... I'll get 'round to it.

[Eltu]

Originally Posted by Human No More

...and there's an issue - I assume you would have no problem arguing with those who think from a logical point of view as you have done in the past, but think that threads on 'spirituality' should be exempt from this.

What I do and don't do is irrelevant to the current discussion. If you have a problem with how I act, take it up in private.

Originally Posted by Human No More

OK, fine.
If, for example, there was no music subforum, and I wanted to create one, but one for metal only, people who liked other kinds would quite rightfully have an issue with that - they would want equal ones for their own music, although doing so would still be completely redundant compared to creating a single one for all types.

I still don't see how it can be a *bad* thing creating a subforum for a specific subject if people request it.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Eltu

What I do and don't do is irrelevant to the current discussion. If you have a problem with how I act, take it up in private.

It's a simple issue of feelings of entitlement.

I still don't see how it can be a *bad* thing creating a subforum for a specific subject if people request it.

It can be when that subject is only a single part of a much wider area and other equivalent subjects are actively excluded.

For the third time in this thread alone: I would tentatively support a section with a neutral name and implication which allows discussion of both where the perspective can be given from the context of the thread, but this counter-suggestion has been consistently ignored as it was not what was originally asked for. Again, look at the thread for Community Support - it reached an agreeable state, which was highly improved from the original idea.

[zongtseng]

So, what's it to be called then? I can't believe the name makes any difference, at all. And I have no problem with two sides discussing something, as long as it's respectful. However, some people seem to have a very hard time doing that with this topic.

Call it what you want, and anyone can post there. But I'll be the first to delete posts and/or infract people when it becomes offensive, as it has so many times before.

[Eltu]

Originally Posted by HumanNoMore

It can be when that subject is only a single part of a much wider area and other equivalent subjects are actively excluded.

Actively excluded? Let's see...
Forum sections where things may be discussed scientifically: 30.
Forum sections where things may not be discussed scientifically: If we make this one, 1.

Obviously offtopic discussions would have to be moved - again, like in any other subforum.

And, three times your point have been read and noted.

[Eltu]

Well, admin disagreements is the entire reason we have several admins in the first place - so that we have no one single authority.

[Icu]

Originally Posted by Eltu

Actively excluded? Let's see...
Forum sections where things may be discussed scientifically: 30.
Forum sections where things may not be discussed scientifically: If we make this one, 1.

Obviously offtopic discussions would have to be moved - again, like in any other subforum.

And, three times your point have been read and noted.

To be fair spiritual discussion are not excluded from any of the current 30, so shouldn't it be 31?

I don't think this is good reason in either way though.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Eltu

Actively excluded? Let's see...
Forum sections where things may be discussed scientifically: 30.
Forum sections where things may not be discussed scientifically: If we make this one, 1.

Forum sections where things may be discussed scientifically OR unscientifically: 30
Forum sections where one method is banned but not the other: 0, or 1 with this one.
See the problem there?

Obviously offtopic discussions would have to be moved - again, like in any other subforum.

I just find it interesting what you consider off topic - something dealing with 'spirituality' but from logical view point should not be considered off topic. If there was a forum for reason and logic, that would be a better place for it, but that would prevent the site from giving what could be perceived as an endorsement to either side. I would support such an arrangement as a compromise, although ideally, there would be a single forum for both views.

And, three times your point have been read and noted.

I was interested to see your reply on it - indeed, it was based on what was originally a counterproposal with the naming and implication that you suggested in IRC.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Eltu

Forum sections where things may not be discussed scientifically: If we make this one, 1.

I have to disagree with that on moral grounds.

[Eltu]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Forum sections where things may be discussed scientifically OR unscientifically: 30
Forum sections where one method is banned but not the other: 0, or 1 with this one.
See the problem there?

Honestly? No. Of course things are "banned" as you put it, in different subforums - or they wouldn't do any good in the first place.

Originally Posted by Human No More

I just find it interesting what you consider off topic - something dealing with 'spirituality' but from logical view point should not be considered off topic. If there was a forum for reason and logic, that would be a better place for it, but that would prevent the site from giving what could be perceived as an endorsement to either side.

In this case, offtopic would be threads discussing things from a strictly scientific perspective. Not all too hard to rule out.

[Fkeu'itan]

Trying to discuss spirituality via logic and science is like trying to eat soup with a fork.

It makes no sense.
(Alright, stop posting dammit!)

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Eltu

Honestly? No. Of course things are "banned" as you put it, in different subforums - or they wouldn't do any good in the first place.

I don't think you got the point. Creating a 'spirituality' subforum would be he ONLY one where out of multiple approaches to understanding, only a single one is allowed. That is not only a bad precedent, but very exclusive if there is not a logical equivalent.

In this case, offtopic would be threads discussing things from a strictly scientific perspective. Not all too hard to rule out.

Again, then where would they go?

[Icu]

Hahaha I know what you mean Fkeu'itan. It's hard to not say something.