Spirituality subforum

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Originally Posted by Clarke

Because the existing subforums aren't divided by opinion. They are divided by subject.

Debate is really the only place set side that is specifically divided from the forum by opinions. (At least, it should be... But we all know the situation right now.) Spirituality is is subject just as science, technology, environmentlalism are... Surely, if you're going to claim that it is only opinion-based, then nothing on this forum is 'right' to exist, as *everything* is poinion-based. There is nothing without bias, even of the slightest kind.

Also, I see HNM's point. If you do create a spirituality subforum, and exclude discussions of spirituality from a logical/other perspective, then you are creating a division in the userbase. You are excluding those people who disagree with the premise the subforum is founded on, and I am fairly sure that the validity of that premise is entirely opinion. Excluding people based on their/your opinion, rather than evidence or objectively-followable reasoning, is almost the definition of totalitarianism.

Once again, as we have seen countless times... This is straying into the 'spirituality is all nonsense' subject, which I find personally insulting. Just because it is not logical, does not mean it is a) invalid or b) a school of thought nonetheless. To use an example; Being homosexual is not 'logical', but it still happens, doesn't it? Who is anyone to claim that someone who is gay is 'invalid'.

The creation of a subforum is not about eitism or exclusion, it's simply a place for people of a spiritualist tint to go nd discuss things of a spiritualist nature. Scientists, or people who haven't had experience with spirituality aren't ever *going* to understand, because we work on different terms. Like it or not, we are naturally divided from the scientists of this forum, because we fundamentally operate on different premises. Does not mean we are any better or worse than people who think differently, but also does not mean we are denied the right to ask and answer questions in the domain of spirituality, because it is a part of who we are.

Even if, to you, the questions might not make sense, to spiritualists, they can. Not all the time, i'm sure if this goes ahead, there will even be questions and disagreements between the spiritualists - but there is a large chance that someone spiritual will have had a relatable experience which can help the other person find their way. A 'humanised' relation that science cannot and will not ever provide. Hence why you cannot answer a humanist's question with a scientist's answer.

As I saw comparisons with the science forum earlier, I object: the science subforum is not about philosophy. It is about news of scientific developments. I'm not sure whether the admins would let us use it to discuss philosophy, but "What does development X mean socially/ethically/spiritually?" is certainly a valid question that could be discussed somewhere, if not in the science forum.

Alright then, in that case... We go ahead with the alternate/opposite science forum to allow such discussions to carr on there, too. Just because there are two different forums, does not necessarily mean that the two will become completely separated. There was this thing a long time ago called the 'Debate' forum, where people of opposing views could discuss things and theorise. I think it's still around here somewhere.

*roots around in the 'box'*

Also, Mika, please try to avoid appealing to emotions.

Usually, I support you Mika, but I have to agree... We are speaking up now... There's maybe not much call for an approach like that... (Although I did enjoy the translation of it. )