Spirituality and logic subforums poll

[Moco Loco]

Originally Posted by zongtseng

The poll has been up for one hour... it has a full week. Not everyone lives on here, I'm sure there will be more votes, and it's close as it is now.

True. Sorry, I'm a bit worked up.

[Aquaplant]

Truth doesn't need to be pampered or sheltered. If someone want's to criticize scientific views it's their issue, and it sure isn't my problem if people want to smash their heads against a stone wall.

All of these special subforums are pointless, and not any amount of compensation will change that fact. I have to agree with what HNM said earlier, if this forum really needs something like this, then there's something so wrong here that no amount of rules will ever change that.

I just hope people would behave on both sides so there would be no need for this nonsense.

[Pa'li Makto]

I'm voting yes, although I must add that there is already a scientific subforum..You're going to have 2 similar subforums..

[ZenitYerkes]

Just a little exercise of imagination, what kind of posts could we expect from both Logic and Spiritual subforums?

The reason why I think the Spiritual one has a reason to be it's because it would leave a space for anyone to leave their experiences and personal views on the world that don't take the usual approach.

It would benefit many members and would leave a space to share something personal and subjective, perhaps something of value.

It is not compulsory, but it is a demand from many users who have seen their threads in the General Section being turned into the same old Logic versus Faith debate or getting hurt for trying to open themselves to the community.

It is a need. And a sad one, since people before did not require it. But denying it won't make things change either way.

Creating a Logic subforums for the sake of compensation is the least logic thing to do.

I don't know what kind of posts to expect from it, let alone posts that could benefit the community.

[Moco Loco]

Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto

I'm voting yes, although I must add that there is already a scientific subforum..You're going to have 2 similar subforums..

It would not be science, it would be secular. Science is about scientific news, theories, and discoveries. Secular would be an ideology, like Spirituality would.
Of course, I am still of the opinion that neither should be implemented.

Originally Posted by Aquaplant

Truth doesn't need to be pampered or sheltered. If someone want's to criticize scientific views it's their issue, and it sure isn't my problem if people want to smash their heads against a stone wall.

All of these special subforums are pointless, and not any amount of compensation will change that fact. I have to agree with what HNM said earlier, if this forum really needs something like this, then there's something so wrong here that no amount of rules will ever change that.

I just hope people would behave on both sides so there would be no need for this nonsense.

WOAH, I totally missed this
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*pokerface*

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

Just a little exercise of imagination, what kind of posts could we expect from both Logic and Spiritual subforums?

The reason why I think the Spiritual one has a reason to be it's because it would leave a space for anyone to leave their experiences and personal views on the world that don't take the usual approach.

This subforum was requested because people felt they could not post it anywhere else. THAT is an issue that need to be addressed. This is not an organisational problem of categories.

It is not compulsory, but it is a demand from many users who have seen their threads in the General Section being turned into the same old Logic versus Faith debate or getting hurt for trying to open themselves to the community.

What about people who use logic getting continual responses of "yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man"? Is that not the same problem?

It is a need. And a sad one, since people before did not require it. But denying it won't make things change either way.

Then we change the situation that has arisen. We do not need to divide the forums further.

Creating a Logic subforums for the sake of compensation is the least logic thing to do.

It is only fair. Giving a 'spirituality' one gives implicit support to that view. I can not in good conscience admin such a site.

[ZenitYerkes]

Whether people can or cannot post because of the replies they will get is a matter of the community and it's an issue that must be taken in count and fixed by every member, not only the mods or admins.

Giving a new set of rules, making a new subforum, it doesn't fix the root problem; but it's a problem that it doesn't depend but on what each of us have wanted and wants to do with everyone's posts and replies.

This is how communities evolve. Sometimes they change for the better, sometimes for the worse.


The situation is this. It's not a year ago and it's not some hypothetical place where everyone respects each other. If you can't come up with a better solution, I think giving people a zone where they can open themselves about their views on the world like they do in Community Support is the right thing.

Call it whatever if Spirituality sounds too offensive or discriminatory, but consider that if there is not a better option, this could be the best.

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Creating a Logic forum would be pointless and just for the sake of reaction. If there is to be a church, let's make temples for all the other religions just to be fair, right?

It's fair, but it's pointless and useless since nobody has requested it and nobody would have any idea what to do with it all. The solution is neither denying it to the part of the community that has requested that place.

Also, what's wrong with saying "it's your point of view"?

[Moco Loco]

I like that idea. That's one of the first alternatives I proposed, I think Because if it is going to be a shelter board, I'd like it to be a more various topic (such as Ideology). That way, it isn't only for some of us.

[Advent]

I personally don't see the reasoning behind a 'logic' sub forum, but whatever. If you want it, you can have it. Consider what you're actually going to do with it first though.

[Moco Loco]

It doesn't need to be called "logic" if that's incredibly offensive to anyone. What would we do with it? We'd be all secular up in there

In all seriousness, we'd probably discuss theories on how religious extremism comes to be, the roots of morality, and maybe even other religions from a secular POV. I'm sure in many issues, we'd almost be discussing the same things, but separately.

This is why I've said it should be a unified Ideology board from the start.

[Advent]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

It doesn't need to be called "logic" if that's incredibly offensive to anyone. What would we do with it? We'd be all secular up in there

In all seriousness, we'd probably discuss theories on how religious extremism comes to be, the roots of morality, and maybe even other religions from a secular POV. I'm sure in many issues, we'd almost be discussing the same things, but separately.

This is why I've said it should be a unified Ideology board from the start.

Fair enough.
If you'll 'all be secular up there' though, then why don't you just call it the secular subforum? I don't find it particularly offensive, but logic might be defined differently by other people.

[iron_jones]

not too sure I like the idea of it being called "Logic".
but in the end whatever goes, goes.

[Moco Loco]

I can agree with you both. As far as I'm concerned, "Logic" was just a placeholder and the name shouldn't be important, so sure, "Secular" would be fine.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

Whether people can or cannot post because of the replies they will get is a matter of the community and it's an issue that must be taken in count and fixed by every member, not only the mods or admins.

Exactly. A subforum doesn't change that.

Giving a new set of rules, making a new subforum, it doesn't fix the root problem; but it's a problem that it doesn't depend but on what each of us have wanted and wants to do with everyone's posts and replies.

There are people who want each here. They should all have a point.

This is how communities evolve. Sometimes they change for the better, sometimes for the worse.

Yet it can be directed in one direction, and negative change can be undone.

The situation is this. It's not a year ago and it's not some hypothetical place where everyone respects each other. If you can't come up with a better solution, I think giving people a zone where they can open themselves about their views on the world like they do in Community Support is the right thing.

The only specific difference with community support is organisational, and that it can not be seen by unregistered users. It isn't a 'this is the only place where you can express your feelings and problems'.

Creating a Logic forum would be pointless and just for the sake of reaction.

It's called being even-handed. It prevents implicitly supporting a view, and one that I could not in good conscience implicitly support at that.

It's fair, but it's pointless and useless since nobody has requested it and nobody would have any idea what to do with it all. The solution is neither denying it to the part of the community that has requested that place.

MANY people have requested it.
Again, I know it would be used - for example, if I wanted to make a thread about the placebo effect and how it affects human perceptions, it would be the perfect section.

Also, what's wrong with saying "it's your point of view"?

Nothing - but it can't become the forum's official point of view.

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

It doesn't need to be called "logic" if that's incredibly offensive to anyone. What would we do with it? We'd be all secular up in there

In all seriousness, we'd probably discuss theories on how religious extremism comes to be, the roots of morality, and maybe even other religions from a secular POV. I'm sure in many issues, we'd almost be discussing the same things, but separately.

This is why I've said it should be a unified Ideology board from the start.

Well said.

I have yet to see a single reason against a combined ideology (or philosophy, or whatever) subforum.

[Sarah Noel]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I have yet to see a single reason against a combined ideology (or philosophy, or whatever) subforum.

I know! I don't know why this isn't the solution.