Spirituality subforum

[Pa'li Makto]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Science/technology is a thing. It's for discussion of new discoveries.
It is not for looking at the world in general objectively.

This subforum would be the ONLY one where only a specific way of thinking is allowed.

I don't know about that: I don't know if anyone specifically said what the subforum would cover but I think that the subforum could include anything that wouldn't fall into the science category such as talking about meditation, journeying to ancient ruins, coming into contact with a tribe and that sort of thing as well as discussion about spirits and OOBE. It encompasses all those things.

[Tsyal Makto]

Exactly, as well as many other things.

It's not just one subject, it's an entire school of thought.

Having a spiritualism board has worked pretty well at Dreamviews. Just sayin'... (They have secular/science boards, too, if anyone was wondering).

[Pa'li Makto]

That's interesting. Just as I was thinking having separate subforums can work alongside each other.

[Moco Loco]

I think they have the potential to work just fine, but of course, I'd rather we just work out our qualms with no new boards

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto

I don't know about that: I don't know if anyone specifically said what the subforum would cover but I think that the subforum could include anything that wouldn't fall into the science category such as talking about meditation, journeying to ancient ruins, coming into contact with a tribe and that sort of thing as well as discussion about spirits and OOBE. It encompasses all those things.

The plan, as I understand it, is not a board to purely discuss those things, but to discuss those things while banning scientific analysis. e.g. no bringing up the God helmet in the context of meditation.

As HNM said, it would be the only board here that restricts ways of reasoning. Either implicitly or explicitly, you're sticking a big sign on the door saying, "Reasoning not allowed."

[Fkeu'itan]

Alright, after some thinking...

I'm saying yes to this sub forum. But honestly, I don't care any more, dropping out of this discussion and out of virtually this whole forum, because frankly, things and people will never change.

Honestly, do what you want, because I don't relly give a damn any more.

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Clarke

Either implicitly or explicitly, you're sticking a big sign on the door saying, "Reasoning not allowed."

not sure about this. I am thinking about something in Moco Loco's Dreams (general). Moco posted a dream. I suggested an interpretation. Moco said something like "View it as you wish, I only wanted to make a bizarre, funny & weird dreams thread." And that was it! Problem solved! Nobody says: "you should change your point of view for mine" - interesting dreams, loads, imposing one's views on the other - no. Especially that it was the author who said what she was actually interested in - & going to someone's house & imposing your rules there... what sort of manners are those? If anybody wants to talk on interpreting dreams - I am here if not - free choice. & that's imho what it should be about! Opinions are welcome - but opinions, not slagging off or "What the hell have you been smoking out there?"

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by apache_blanca

not sure about this. I am thinking about something in Moco Loco's Dreams (general). Moco posted a dream. I suggested an interpretation. Moco said something like "View it as you wish, I only wanted to make a bizarre, funny & weird dreams thread." And that was it! Problem solved! Nobody says: "you should change your point of view for mine" - interesting dreams, loads, imposing one's views on the other - no. Especially that it was the author who said what she was actually interested in - & going to someone's house & imposing your rules there... what sort of manners are those? If anybody wants to talk on interpreting dreams - I am here if not - free choice. & that's imho what it should be about! Opinions are welcome - but opinions, not slagging off or "What the hell have you been smoking out there?"

Then the problem would be one of moderation, not organization.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto

I don't know about that: I don't know if anyone specifically said what the subforum would cover but I think that the subforum could include anything that wouldn't fall into the science category such as talking about meditation, journeying to ancient ruins, coming into contact with a tribe and that sort of thing as well as discussion about spirits and OOBE. It encompasses all those things.

So what if someone wanted to discuss ancient ruins who was not allowed in that subforum? what if someone wanted to talk about meditation and 'out of body experiences' (OOBE - yes, I do know what it means) from a logical perspective - e.g. the placebo effect and dreams for the latter.

I fail to see what ancient ruins have to do with such a section. As for 'tribes' - isn't that environmentalism?

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by apache_blanca

not sure about this. I am thinking about something in Moco Loco's Dreams (general). Moco posted a dream. I suggested an interpretation. Moco said something like "View it as you wish, I only wanted to make a bizarre, funny & weird dreams thread." And that was it! Problem solved! Nobody says: "you should change your point of view for mine" - interesting dreams, loads, imposing one's views on the other - no. Especially that it was the author who said what she was actually interested in - & going to someone's house & imposing your rules there... what sort of manners are those? If anybody wants to talk on interpreting dreams - I am here if not - free choice. & that's imho what it should be about! Opinions are welcome - but opinions, not slagging off or "What the hell have you been smoking out there?"

Edit: I understand now. That's how things should be

For that reason, we do not need a special subforum.

[Moco Loco]

HNM, I honestly think she was agreeing with us. She was saying all that needs to happen is an understanding that neither of us are imposing over each other, and I agree.

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

HNM, I honestly think she was agreeing with us. She was saying all that needs to happen is an understanding that neither of us are imposing over each other, and I agree.

this yes - & it applies to any exchange of opinions on any forum, subforum or thread.

Originally Posted by Human No More

Edit: I understand now. That's how things should be

For that reason, we do not need a special subforum.

a reason I would personally like a special subforum is to have a dedicated place for "this stuff" rather than searching across the whole ToS "Just where would that fit?" & trying to squeeze it here or there in a "more or less suitable" subforum hoping nobody says "This doesn't belong here". Like we have threads for music, fan art, Pandora & what not.

As for OOBE & the like... "wait till it happens to you!" all I can say. Hope nobody has to go thru toooo intense experiences for that. Like clinical death & the like, I honestly wouldn't wish it to anybody. Altho the result might be worth it

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by apache_blanca

a reason I would personally like a special subforum is to have a dedicated place for "this stuff" rather than searching across the whole ToS "Just where would that fit?" & trying to squeeze it here or there in a "more or less suitable" subforum hoping nobody says "This doesn't belong here". Like we have threads for music, fan art, Pandora & what not.

I thought the point was that if you had to do that, you could put it in General.

[auroraglacialis]

I will try not to be dragged into this too deep, but I think that such a forum would be a very good idea. I see that one of the problems here seems to be that the OP suggested to have a special form of discussion implemented - basically to make a subforum not merely for one topic of interest, but also for a certain style of discussion, namely non-scientific ones. That certainly is a bit of a special one and I see HNMs point that this is different from a books forum. On the other hand, I think this is maybe needed for this kind of subforum.
The way I would envision this subforum is, that people could post threads there about their own experiences with spirituality and exchange with other likeminded people about this. The problem with such discussions in any of the other subforums is, that it usually turns rather quickly in a debate about ideology, which is why I think "Ideologies" would be the worst name for a subforum. So while people in the science forum can talk about science and discoveries and the implications of this in a scientific (that includes ethics and implications and global political effects) way, a post about how I received my spirit name, what a tree told me last week or how sound and stories make our world would immediately be torn into a discussion or debate about if these topics are "real" or not. So what I would wish for is a room to talk about these things and see what others who experienced something similar feel without having to defend myself against "god helmets" and therelike.
The opposite perspective would be if discussions on dark matter, findings of new planets or antimatter would be met with discussions on the general validity of science, if there would be posts that say there are no other planets because god made only the Earth or any other posts questioning the method of finding these things directly. I have not seen any such posts recently in the science forum. So there are no posts I am aware of that say that the Earth was made by god in 7 days and that Earth is only 10000 years old or that the environmental problems do not matter because there will be the new age coming anyways - or the rapture - or aliens from aldebaran. And wherever there were discussions about spirituality and science, they were in the context of something else.

But as I said, I see this forum if it is created not as a place to discuss the validity of the experiences described in a scientific view or as a place to discuss which one is "true" - science or spirituality/religion. I would not object to have some threads in that subforum that deal with that, as long as they are titles properly, but I would like to see some form of "safe space" implemented in which one can post a spiritual topic and stay on topic with that instead of the topic getting derailed into the eternal "science versus religion" debate.

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

So while people in the science forum can talk about science and discoveries and the implications of this in a scientific (that includes ethics and implications and global political effects) way, a post about how I received my spirit name, what a tree told me last week or how sound and stories make our world would immediately be torn into a discussion or debate about if these topics are "real" or not.

I may just be new, but I've never seen that happen. Can you cite an example?