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09-08-2011, 03:43 AM
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Avatar TArot
I've mentioned it before, my idea of wanting to create, at least for myself, a Tarot Deck, based on Avatar. This summer I had lots of opportunity to deepen myself on Tarot and its symbolism and meaning.
This thread is again, typical of me, more of a personal journey and exploration, while I work on the creation of a deck. Although normally on these threads, I'm not looking for a lot of input, but I am appreciative of others thoughts. In this case, as I am extending an invitation for input, I'm also making it very specific. I know that there are others out there whom appreciate Tarot and its symbolism. Those are, and only those voices are the ones I'm inviting to make contributions to developing this deck. I appreciate everyone's consideration in this! At this time I have not yet started to create the 'Art Work' .. this is more the meaning for each card, instead, the actual Art Work will evolve from my explorations in symbolism! As ever I hope that others will enjoy the process Mika!
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It was impossible not to have, It's impossible not to be, It's impossible not to still ...!  What this world really needs is more artists and environmentalists! "Its only 'here' that we lose perspective, out at the Cosmic Consciousness Level things get a lot clearer. For example, there is an actual star pattern that is traced in the shape of a Willow Tree, across the breadth of the Milky Way! And no wonder Indigenous peoples refer to the 'here after' as the Happy Hunting Grounds! Has it ever occured to anyone why the bioluminescence dots, on the Na'vi!" 
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09-08-2011, 04:04 AM
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Major Arcana
My way of approaching this, will be to post which ever 'card' symbolism comes up as in way of a reading, and the general meaning and symbolism behind the 'traditional' card. From there to expand it to make both the 'image' that will eventually be used or created, and the meaning to be completely Avatar related. This in particular is where others input will be most constructive!
Key XVI: The Tower Traditional Meaning: "A series of insights propels you to new awareness; you have outgrown the old structure physical or mental - you built, you must destroy this structure (or allow it to crumble) in order to make room for the new structures you need; you may have to sacrifice certain things, in order to grow, you may find yourself changing quite a bit; search your heart for answers; we often have to give up before we can gain" "As the Tower is the key of rapid and destructive change of form, of letting go, for you at this time means that you may be moving to higher level through the experience of drastic conditions. You may sacrifice your job or your home, go bankrupt or get divorced. You may experience natural or man-made violence, disease or disaster. You may be confronting and coming to terms with Death. Key XVI implies raising consciousness or becoming liberated through facing destruction. " To me the most obvious Symbol for this card .. is the Burning of Home Tree .. although Jakes 'enlightenment' comes just before the destruction, it would all seem to fit the meaning of this card .. Other suggestions?
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It was impossible not to have, It's impossible not to be, It's impossible not to still ...! What this world really needs is more artists and environmentalists! "Its only 'here' that we lose perspective, out at the Cosmic Consciousness Level things get a lot clearer. For example, there is an actual star pattern that is traced in the shape of a Willow Tree, across the breadth of the Milky Way! And no wonder Indigenous peoples refer to the 'here after' as the Happy Hunting Grounds! Has it ever occured to anyone why the bioluminescence dots, on the Na'vi!" Last edited by Mika; 09-08-2011 at 04:20 AM.
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09-08-2011, 04:47 AM
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Oooh I love this idea, Tarot cards are a great tool to search for answers..I have a few suggestions but I'll edit this post and include them when I have more time later today.
Okay so I know there's a death card: You could have a picture of a Na'vi burial.. The lover's card could be Neytiri and Jake. The Hermit card could be a thanator sitting by a waterfall deep in thought.
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Always listening to The Orb: O.O.B.E...  My fanfic "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded most harshly." -Chronicle of the First Age "Try to see the forest through her eyes." Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.) Last edited by Pa'li Makto; 09-08-2011 at 07:45 AM.
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09-08-2011, 04:07 PM
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It was impossible not to have, It's impossible not to be, It's impossible not to still ...! What this world really needs is more artists and environmentalists! "Its only 'here' that we lose perspective, out at the Cosmic Consciousness Level things get a lot clearer. For example, there is an actual star pattern that is traced in the shape of a Willow Tree, across the breadth of the Milky Way! And no wonder Indigenous peoples refer to the 'here after' as the Happy Hunting Grounds! Has it ever occured to anyone why the bioluminescence dots, on the Na'vi!"
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09-08-2011, 04:13 PM
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Ok so giving this some more thought, I realized that actually we need to come up with the images from the movie, as we are contemplating the meaning and symbolism to be associated with each card. The reason being, is that Tarot is not just a set of cards that has a set meaning, it is actually a highly intuitive process that comes from how ones' psyche and intuition is evoked by the images as well.
So for the Tower Card, We need some images of the bombing and burning of Home Tree, to evoke a deeper connection to the image, to create the eventual meaning that is specific to how the AVATAR symbolism relates and speaks to us! Definitely could use some help here in this area. SO Anyone is welcome to post some burning Home Tree Images. Lets try to avoid duplicates or reposting (aka quoting) another's image already used, but definitly can refer to it in the discussion, just to keep from image overload. Lets see how that image, calls to us invidually and colletively, as related to the Traditional Meaning of the Tower! Thx!~
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It was impossible not to have, It's impossible not to be, It's impossible not to still ...! What this world really needs is more artists and environmentalists! "Its only 'here' that we lose perspective, out at the Cosmic Consciousness Level things get a lot clearer. For example, there is an actual star pattern that is traced in the shape of a Willow Tree, across the breadth of the Milky Way! And no wonder Indigenous peoples refer to the 'here after' as the Happy Hunting Grounds! Has it ever occured to anyone why the bioluminescence dots, on the Na'vi!" Last edited by Mika; 09-08-2011 at 04:16 PM.
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09-09-2011, 07:43 AM
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that's a wonderful idea. I'll buy,and use them. You got to sell them via the PC
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09-09-2011, 08:14 AM
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Hmmm I'll try to get some screencaps Mika. Mind you I don't have the blu ray copy of Avatar. :
Found this on the net:   
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Always listening to The Orb: O.O.B.E... My fanfic "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded most harshly." -Chronicle of the First Age "Try to see the forest through her eyes." Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.) Last edited by Pa'li Makto; 09-09-2011 at 08:24 AM.
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09-09-2011, 08:18 PM
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I think that unless it's supposed to only be a negative, something like Jake first waking up in his avatar or the ending shot might work better.
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09-10-2011, 02:11 AM
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Mika wrote that one of the meanings of the tower card was destructive and rapid change which would bring in new awareness. I think that the destruction of the hometree is a big change to the Na'vi and their awareness of the Tawtute change as a result.
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Always listening to The Orb: O.O.B.E... My fanfic "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded most harshly." -Chronicle of the First Age "Try to see the forest through her eyes." Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.)
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09-13-2011, 07:59 AM
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Here, Mika I have a pic..It's sad though.
 
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Always listening to The Orb: O.O.B.E... My fanfic "The man who learns only what others know is as ignorant as if he learns nothing. The treasures of knowledge are the most rare, and guarded most harshly." -Chronicle of the First Age "Try to see the forest through her eyes." Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.)
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09-15-2011, 08:34 AM
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A great idea Mika - I'll buy them, too! (I will have to learn to read Tarot first tho
)^^^this - or a screenshot just before it, when we can see How tall & powerful Home Tree is (was  ) (sorry I don' t have any screenshots )Quaritch is El Diablo! Edited to add: is it possible to have Na'vi names for the cards, too? Quaritch will be Vrrtep then the screenshot - only as a suggestion - would be the one when he caught Jake by the queue - on the usual Devil cards there is often somebody in chains, right?On the other hand, cards like The Chariot... mgmgmg... what to do with this one? The Na'vi don't have chariots... Altho it could be the image of warriors on direhorses - or else, Jake & Neytiri flying ikrans?
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09-15-2011, 03:01 PM
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Definitely! I finally got to watch Avatar the other night, as hadn't seen it all summer, And yeah this image, or as Apache Blanca says below, there is one where we can see the whole of Home Tree start to lean, and the burning fires below. Just need to get to a decent computer to capture the screen shot! But i think it captures that moment well .. But if we end up rendering it wether by painting or photoshopping, .. we can caputure the other feelings as well .. somehow the 'shocked' look of Na'Vi faces .. maybe symbolically in a corner of the card .. So now the next part .. is the reflection .. when we see the destruction of Home Tree .. and intuitively now .. embracing the meaning of the Tower card .. what does it start to mean to us .. in Avatar terms .. Umm I guess in both cases .. as again Apache Blanca your suggestion below, would be good to turn to the Na'Vi language references, lol, for referencing! Hmmm .... might need more help here on that part too! Quote:
And second .. what a good idea .. hadn't even thought that far along, but absolutely makes complete sense .. that's the shift .. from just being a Tarot Deck .. to completely Avatar Meaning .. of course the card names should change! THX!
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It was impossible not to have, It's impossible not to be, It's impossible not to still ...! What this world really needs is more artists and environmentalists! "Its only 'here' that we lose perspective, out at the Cosmic Consciousness Level things get a lot clearer. For example, there is an actual star pattern that is traced in the shape of a Willow Tree, across the breadth of the Milky Way! And no wonder Indigenous peoples refer to the 'here after' as the Happy Hunting Grounds! Has it ever occured to anyone why the bioluminescence dots, on the Na'vi!"
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09-15-2011, 07:19 PM
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sure somebody from LearnNa'vi can help - or else, we'll go to Paul Frommer!  I've just thought again, The Chariot: Toruk Makto. This should be it! In charge of your own (not only!?) destiny, know where you going, fast powerful movement... Something like this? PS Added: ooh, wait, Mika! Avatar Tarot Reading... as one of Seattle Meetup 2012 activities...! Hey, if you have a waiting list, add me there pleeeeaaazzze
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Knowledge is a chimera for beyond any knowledge there ever lies other knowledge that renders the previous knowledge false. (The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever Vol.II- Stephen Donaldson) What the bleep do we know! I know only this: Eywa has taken me on a ride... ... the one I don't want come back from Last edited by apache_blanca; 09-15-2011 at 09:06 PM.
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09-16-2011, 07:33 AM
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 Please plus infinityIt will read: "You will have tortured life" So far the cards are right "You will find something worth fighting for" True again "You will meet a tall pretty blue female with a tail" Yes and.. "Go through hell and back, and hell and back, have a wicked movie type ending. Then have a sequel and repeat" Wow these cards are GOOD!! 
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