Spirituality is right. The world is unknowable. So?

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto

There are mystical or unexplainable elements to everything, what's your point?

Even logic? Even mathematics?

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

Science is not wrong - within its realm...

Where does its realm end? Why?

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

Science claims truth and denies religious, spiritual or even holistic philosophical thought that truth and bascially puts them in the corner of the fool. It calls them liars, superstitious nonsense and self-deluding idiocy.

Really? I didn't know science delivered emotional conclusions.

I think at least there is one (probably many more) other way to look at it

Of course there are, but the point of this thread is the question: What do those other ways tell you which is useful?

The only way out of this mechanistic dilemma of utter darkness and the allowance of all behaviour is to create a construct of an enlightened human.

You appear to think that emotions are necessary for the world to function. Why? Also, this appears to be an argument to consequences. Could you elaborate on why it isn't?

Looking at it the other way round - that for us as living beings what is primary is our experiences, our emotions, our consciousness and that the physical world is basically the means we are existing seems to me much more fulfilling. We can still marvel at the things science tells us, but we are not slaves to the notion of being basically just walking vehicles for competitive gene transfer.

I don't understand why this idea is mutually exclusive to the one garnered from science. Science tells you how the world physically works, it doesn't give any sort of accompanying values. At least, it doesn't at the moment; you would probably win a Nobel Prize if you could get it to.

EDIT: Correction: science doesn't give you values without you already knowing what it is you want to achieve. It can only tell you what's good and evil when you know, precisly, what "good" and "evil" mean. (The vast majority of people don't know in enough detail.)