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Old 10-11-2011, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bey'damo View Post
And do you think that's after the "free elections" everything will be fine and free?

The Copts are in big trouble.
When Mubarak was the leader everything was fine.
Nobody try to attack them becouse he keep the order.
After Mubarak fall everything ****ed up for them.
Copts churches are attacked daily by muslims.
After the elections the Muslim Brotherhood will probably raise to power(They have radical Islam ideology) and the copts will be in even worse situation.

Pa'li Makto It's not the American revolution, There is no Continental Congress which organize everything.
The protestors had only one common target - remove Mubarak from the goverment - After he gone the "revolution" split up to 100000000000 groups.
Of course not.
Excuse me, I'm not American.
Plus the protesters had many demands:
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2011/0...tahrir-square/

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1. استقالة رئيس الجمهورية مُحمّد حُسني مُبارك
2. إلغاء العمل بقانون الطوارئ
3. إلغاء جهاز مباحث أمن الدولة
4. إعلان عُمَر سُلَيمان التزامه بعدم الترشح للرياسة في الانتخابات الرئاسية القادمة
5. حل مَجلسي الشعب و الشورى
6. الإفراج عن كل المعتقلين منذ 25 يناير
7. إنهاء حظر التجوّل لعودة الحياة الطبيعية في كل أنحاء البلاد
8. الغاء الحرس الجامعي
9. إحالة المسؤولين عن استخدام العنف ضد المتظاهرين السلميين منذ 25 يناير، والمسؤولين عن أعمال البلطجة المنظمة التي تَلَت 28 يناير للتحقيق
10. اقالة أنس الفقي ووقف التجييش بلهجة التخوين والتهديد في أجهزة الإعلام الحكومية ضد الثورة، ووقف إثارة الكراهية في الشوارع ضد الأجانب
11. تعويض أصحاب المحلات عن خسائرهم أثناء حظر التجول
12. إذاعة المطالب أعلاه في تلفزيون و راديو الحكومة
1. The resignation of president Mohammed Hosni Mubarak
2. Cancelling the Emergency Law
3. Dismantling the state secret service
4. An announcement by (Vice-President) Omar Sulieman that he will not run in the next presidential elections
5. Dissolving the Parliament and Shura Council
6. Releasing all the prisoners since January 25
7. Ending the curfew so that life resumes as normal across the country
8. Dismantling the university guards system
9. Referring officials responsible for the use of violences against the peaceful protesters since January 25 and those responsible for the organised thuggery which followed January 28 to an investigation committee
10. Sacking Anas El Fiqi and stopping the attack on protesters in government owned media through threats and calling protesters traitors, and ending the spread of hate against foreigners in the streets
11. Reimbursing shop owners for their losses during the curfew
12. Announcing the demands above on government television and radio

Wael Khalil also lists demands for the transitional period as follows:
. صياغة دستور جديد
2. الحق في إصدار الصحف بلا ترخيص مسبق، و القنوات التلفزيونية و الإذاعة
3. تنفيذ حكم الحد الأدنى للأجور 1200ج – حكم 21606 إداري
4. الحق في تكوين الأحزاب بالإخطار
5. الحق في إنشاء النقابات و الجمعيات بالإخطار
6. تحقيق استقلال حقيقي للصحف القومية و الإذاعة و التلفزيون القوميين بكل ما يتطلبه ذلك من تشريعات و إعادة هيكلة لمؤسسات و هيئات و وزارات
7. إلغاء أداء الخدمة الوطنية في جهاز الشرطة
8. وقف التحكم الامني في الاتصالات والانترنت
1. Drafting a new constitution
2. The right to set up newspapers and open television and radio stations without a prior permission
3. Putting the minimum wage of 1,200 Egyptian Pounds into effect
4. The right to set up political parties, by notification
5. The right to set up associations and unions, by notification
6. Acheiving a real autonomy and independence for national newspapers and television and radio stations, through new legistlation and the reformation of companies, establishments of ministries
7. Cancelling the national service in the police force
8. Ending the security clampdown on telecommunications and the internet
It really shows just how much you know about the Egyptian People's movement...
Plus the attacks on the Coptic Churches were done by islamists, especially Salafists and plain clothes groups hired by the military who both the copts and average Egyptian can't stand.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_805951.html
http://www.copticsolidarity.org/en/n...her-extremists
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...gers-activists

As for Mubarak..If you think that there weren't attacks on copts back when he was in power then you mustn't of looked at the news over the last few years. The whole of Egypt have suffered under Mubarak.Except for the richest people and certain islamist groups..You should realise that the islamists don't reflect upon the whole of Egypt's muslim population..They are a minority who actually wanted Mubarak to stay in power.

The revolution is still going. http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?optio...ace&Itemid=386

Sounds like there are police involved in the oppression against the Copts as well..Police who are under the military government of Egypt. The military that followed Mubarak and still have allegiance to him.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5642011.story
Quote:
By Jeffrey Fleishman and Amro Hassan, Los Angeles Times October 9, 2011, 7:13 p.m. Reporting from Cairo— At least 22 people were killed in clashes between military police and Coptic Christian protesters in the latest eruption of violence highlighting Egypt's deepening sectarian divisions since President Hosni Mubarak was driven from power in February. In the bloodiest unrest since last winter's uprising, authorities said, three soldiers and 19 protesters were killed Sunday when Copts threw Molotov cocktails at riot police outside the state Radio and Television Building in downtown Cairo. The chaos was further inflamed when thugs in plainclothes attacked Copts, some carrying crucifixes, as they marched along the Nile at dusk. The violence escalated quickly and jolted what had begun as a peaceful rally by Christians to protest the recent burning by Muslims of a church in southern Egypt. Copts began hurling bottles and rocks at security forces after military vehicles plowed through demonstrators as gunshots echoed overhead and crowds scattered.
http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/20...obama-all.html (Plain clothes police and hired gangs..Sound familiar?)
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