Occupy Wallstreet

[ZenitYerkes]

So freedom to take others' freedom should be allowed?

Money is a more powerful means than what you could imagine.

Any case, and replying you (HNM), my point is that you can't be rich on your own only. There's always people behind you making all the things you don't have time to do or don't know how to do. People who exchange their time and effort for your money.

Imagine these people have such a small income that they are having no treatment for their diseases, not enough money for their families' basic needs and no time since they have to work in three different places to earn a living. (yea bull****)

Yeah, they would be pissed off.

Libertarianism would be fair if we were self-sufficient, glass-caged individuals; but the reason why any human society has been built is: we can't live on our own. We are linked and bonded to thousands of people who are affected by what we decide to do.

That you can't see the consequences of what's happening (or rather, what is not happening) after people do what they want with their money; it doesn't mean everything is all right. You could say none of it is your but their business, blame the others for being "lazy"; but they are still there. And you depend on them (hence one of the reasons why economy keeps getting better and better since 2008).

State intervention is fair when its actions are fair. It's not about being an absurd egalitarian saying everything has to have exactly the same as anyone else; but rather about protecting the people from disease, hunger and overexploitation; and have a common, public project. Living in society should mean helping each other live together and not having the others as a means to make your living.

That is a fair society.

Either way, and whether it's the State or the enterprise, taking from the rich is far better than having to take from the poor to sustain a system.