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Old 11-26-2011, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pa'li Makto View Post
I think you're quite good at rambling Aquaplant, I especially enjoy reading your interpretations and trying to answer your interesting questions. IMO, rambling is a sign of contemplation and contemplation can be seen as philosophising which is critical for new thought and ideas.
Yes I know, I'm good at useless things, and this is one of them.

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I like your analogy of the cold shower, I think it helps to explain the social climate of the time where I do believe we have all been desensitised through the news and peers ect to accept and normalise everything that happens around us. For example, I'm still shocked to see some people at car crashes taking pictures on their phones with unreadable faces.
I for one am already practically immune to all manner of slaughtering humans, but the one thing that makes me so sick I can barely stand, is when I see animals mistreated or killed. For example, I can watch the Game of throne series where they cut of heads of people with swords, slice their throats and pull out their entrails like it was nothing, but I just couldn't bring myself to watch the end of the episode where they were about to kill a dog chained to a post. I first covered my eyes and did not want to look but then I just turned the whole thing off.

I guess I know that we humans deserve whatever we have coming our way, but animals should not be subjected to our cruelty, because they have no part in the madness that rules us. Animals already suffer their own woes that come from their instinct driven lives, even though suffering is not something they understand in the same sense we do.

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As for monetary value, I think you're spot on there. Money appears to amount to everything that most people work for, save for volunteers and community based workers-although they still get paid a salary. What you seem to describe looks a bit like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, which places self actualisation and ego needs above safety and survival. Such as someone with their basic needs such as a steady income met and then going on to consume luxury goods or other sources of measuring or improving self worth like what you said here:
With money one can get almost everything, and that is power, and if anything, having that kind of power enables people to do things, good and bad.

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Here's the diagram of the needs theory. I think it's a little too rigid to describe everyone but I think it illustrates your point well.

I think diagrams like these are always based on most of the common needs observed among the majority of populace, and thus, as any norms, are rigid because they are a statistical average put to words.

But as with all kinds of preconceptions, rules and assumptions, they can never be anything more than just a vague references of sorts. I've read all sorts of philosophical and psychological nonsense that I can't fathom why someone would even say something like that, let alone make some kind of rule about it.

I think I could use an allegory from data compression in this regard, because many of these so called theories are a compressions of such a large sample, that it's simply impossible to fit all the required details and information to a complete all around rule for it to be comprehensible or of any use to anyone. So we get somewhere around there theories that can be really quite good, but ultimately they always leave so much out of the equation.

This is what I do, I'm an armchair philosopher and thinker of all kinds and with no credentials or tools whatsoever, other than my own little experience from life and my mind. So do take what I say with a grain of salt at all times, and most importantly, question what I say, because that is the only way for information to increase.
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