Anyone else root for the humans?

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Try harder, troll. I've defeated far more eloquent and informed ones than you with very little effort. I should probably put this thread out of its misery, but I'm not going to for now.

Put me down as 1 vote for close the thread.

[Raptor]

I'm not sure if it's worth my energy to write this, but in case you aren't trolling, I can provide a few explanations.

As HNM had pointed out, unobtainium, a room temperature superconductor, is a resource meant to fuel certain sectors of the economy in 2154 Earth, and is not essential for the survival of the human race.

A few plot points to address. The RDA is bound by international conventions that prohibit the use of WMDs. They don't possess a legitimate military, only a Security Operations division. Think of them as Xe (formerly Blackwater) but much smaller in scale. As such, they did not have access to theater or even tactical bombers. Their defense fleet consists only of VTOL rotorwings.

While the technology seen in Avatar may not appear as advanced by 2154 standards, the canon explanation is that Pandora's magnetic flux vortex proved to be very problematic for high tech weaponry. In fact, the initial advanced weapons they brought were unreliable at best, and were often useless. Thus, they had to settle for conventional-looking rotorwings, which possesses less advanced technology that's less susceptible to the EM field.

Because they don't possess any dedicated bomber aircraft, and they wanted to make a quick attack on the Tree of Souls, they settled on jury-rigging a Valkyrie shuttle and dropping crates of mining explosives from the back ramp. Think of it as a cruder analogy to dropping BLU-82 Daisy Cutters from a C-130 aircraft. They relied on sheer explosive power of precision, and even then, they needed to fly fairly low to avoid the explosives hitting obstacles.

Speaking of flying at a higher altitude, here are some very very basic aerodynamics. The higher you are, the thinner the air, and the less lift you generate at a given airspeed. If you move too slowly and can't generate enough lift, you will stall and drop like a rock. We don't even know if the engines will have enough thrust at high altitude. You think an F-35B or a Harrier can hover at high altitude? They won't. Turbine engines generate less thrust in thinner air of high altitude and won't be able to support the weight of the aircraft. Assuming that its vectored-thrust engines can even generate enough thrust at high altitude to defeat the weight of the shuttle, it will be very slow, as it can only deflect a certain proportion of that thrust forward. They can't afford to fly faster, because that will be highly detrimental to their bombing accuracy. This doesn't even take into account the numerous obstacles that can potentially block the path of the explosives. All these are problems trying to use an aircraft for an ill-suited role.

I can go on and on, but I think this is long enough for you to chew through for now.

[Sight Unseen]

Originally Posted by Crickett

Put me down as 1 vote for close the thread.

^ Seconded.

[Marvellous Chester]

^ Thirded. Obliterate it, cast it into the void

[Raiden]

I suppose.

I'd like his head mounted here for a bit longer though.

It's a nice decorative touch.

[Advent]

Hold on. Did someone tag this is 'lame trolling' or was it Pwnzerfaust?

[Clarke]

Check again.

[auroraglacialis]

So the first think I thought when I read the post was maybe:

And then I looked at the username and needed not to guess anymore

[mikkowilson]

Trolling or not (and nothing like assuming the worst in a person as the default by the way, brothers); this thread does raise some interesting discussion.

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

You don't break into someone else's place, tell them to GTFO, kill them for being understandably irate and not doing so, then blow up their house. It's just wrong.

Yet we have, and continue to do so; throughout history.

Nature's (humans) actions very often have nothing to do with logic. Or what is "right".

- Mikko

[Devourment]

I think it's probably easier to pick a side when instead of Race A vs. Race B you see see it as Good vs. Bad.

[Moco Loco]

Sure. We didn't pick the na'vi over the humans because they're more beautiful (though they are, as many of us would say).

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

Sure. We didn't pick the na'vi over the humans because they're more beautiful (though they are, as many of us would say).

Whether they're more aesthetically pleasing or not is purely opinion. It's fine for him to prefer the looks of human over the looks of Na'vi. But that shouldn't be a reason to think that humans are superior.

Of course, if he said that for the sake of trolling, then I'll let you guys have at it.

[Moco Loco]

Wow dude, that would be real trolling If anybody ever comes in here and talks about how ugly the na'vi are, I'll have no doubts. I was really saying that more in response to Devourment's post though.

[Crickett]

Originally Posted by mikkowilson

Trolling or not (and nothing like assuming the worst in a person as the default by the way, brothers); this thread does raise some interesting discussion.

Mikko, as a long time poster, you should be well aware this isn't the first time a thread like this has popped up on an avatar forum. And it invariably is always trolling.

And I'll point out again that even still, the op has not been seen again.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

Yeah, I think this is a rare instance of this not being trolling. If it is, well done Pwnzerfaust; you have elicited a reaction.

That said, I fail to see the logic behind Pwnzerfaust's... unique opinion. There is absolutely no way to justify the RDA's actions on Pandora for two reasons. The earth didn't just magically decide to go to s**t one day; we, humans, killed everything, and the RDA is messing up another planet. Also, we don't have any real need for room-temperature superconductors. They'd just be nice to have.

You don't break into someone else's place, tell them to GTFO, kill them for being understandably irate and not doing so, then blow up their house. It's just wrong.

To summarize:

Reminds me of QDB: Quote #307404

Originally Posted by Crickett

Mikko, as a long time poster, you should be well aware this isn't the first time a thread like this has popped up on an avatar forum. And it invariably is always trolling.

And I'll point out again that even still, the op has not been seen again.

Of course. What a good note to end on.