Out there dreams

[Layzie]

I hope what I'm about to say doesn't offend anybody, but people put way too much thought into their dreams. They don't necessarily lie about their dreams, but they like to sugarcoat them and explain them just slightly different in ways that glorify the dream. But I like to be realistic, the dream was more than likely just a mess of random stuff you can only remember like half of. I mean, it's a dream. No need to try to impress people with it. If I have a strange dream, I'll explain it the way it happened and that's that. Nothing added, nothing bent a little. To be honest.

But with all that said, I am very interested in dreams. Most of the time my dreams are either about love or they are dreams that scare me. Leaning a little more twords dreams that scare me. They aren't always necessarily nightmares (even though they are a lot) but they are just so weird to the point where it kinda starts to freak me out. Like these ones I had last week. I don't want to go into the what the dreams were about, 1 because I don't want to tell people, and 2 because I can't remember everything about them. Although I forgot, I woke up pretty scared and could just remember a little. But the crazy thing was that when I woke up after a series of bad dreams I looked to see what time it was and only 30 minutes had gone by since I went to sleep. I thought that would be a long night. But I do have a good share of dreams about love too. I really love them. They make me feel like crap when I wake up because it wasn't real and I can't stop thinking about them. But I love them when they are happening. Just last night I had one and it was really nice, I love when there is people I know in them. Sometimes but not as often, I just have regular dreams that are weird or whatever with just stuff going on. Or ones once in a while that at least loosely follow a story or theme (for lack of a better word).

I had a few weird experiences too. Back in the summer of 2009 I was sleeping one afternoon. This was just a few days or so after Michael Jackson died. I was sleeping and I had a dream that Billy Mays died. Only to have my brother wake me up not long after and actually tell me that Billy Mays had died. It was weird because that was what I just dreamed.

And another happened a few months ago, I was asleep and it was my brother, my cousin and a friend of ours. They were talking about some stuff that is a little too personal to repeat. I could hear what they were talking about. You know when you're sleeping, and you actually ARE asleep, but you can hear the things going on around you? It was one of those things. Later in the evening after I had been awake for a while. My brother started to tell me about the things he said to my cousin and friend. I stopped him and told him I know, I could hear them talking about it before. He was kinda confused and told me that when he was talking about that, he was outside in the woods next to my house. I'm over here sleeping on the 2nd story on the OPPOSITE side of my house. So it's not like I could hear him through a window or something. But anway, he continued to tell me, and then I told him again, yeah I heard this already. He said no, I couldn't have. I told him I did, I even explained what he said and my freinds reaction to it. He got freaked out that I heard there whole conversation in my sleep as it was going on somewhere where I would normally NEVER be able to hear from that far away. I hope anybody reading this understands and isn't confused. I'm being 100% honest about these 2 stories.

[auroraglacialis]

These are two pretty amazing stories! Especially if you can get ahead of the situation and write something down or talk about it before you get "outside information". Like you wake up, write down or tell someone "hey I dreamed XY died" and he says "oh what? Yes he did die?" - or that situation with your cousin where you could tell him what they had been talking about before he told you. Those are amazing. The other situation would be that someone tells you about something and you say "oh yes, I had a dream about that just tonight". That may be true, but may also be selective memory or something. I think that it more often is also true, though.

[apache_blanca]

well that's a bummar about dreams isnt' it? When somebody says: "This and that happened" & you say: "Oh, I've dreamed about it..." - there's no proof, or "sample", is there? Only you know what you dreamed about; the other might believe you or not. Like, when i say I dreamed about a glowing jungle in 2006 - 3 years before Avatar - and when I talk about it now - especially on this forum of people who are here precisely because of Avatar - some may easily think I am "sugarcoating" my dream, the way Layzie put it, & trying to sort of pull it close to Avatar - but I do remember it only too well, I can recall it even now in all detail because I thought too much about it: it was too unusual, dreams like that don't happen often. But the dreamer is the only person who knows the truth. Until a video-dream-recording device is invented Not a brainscanning gadget but some "braincam" that can record image, sound, & even better, sensations & emotions? Hey, is anybody interested to take this task on?

Anyways, these were amazing dreams Layzie. To go ahead a short way across time/space & back, that's cool!

PS Added november 4th: good you had a witness, too (your brother). that's a rare luck

[auroraglacialis]

Scientists use brain imaging to reveal the movies in our mind

But I think I prefer drawing and writing what I saw

[apache_blanca]

this is getting interesting

Anyway, they said "We are decades away from reading other's thoughts & intentions" - & I daresay that might be a good thing. Technology is a powerful tool & it is not always used to a good purpose.

[Theorist]

I had another pretty cool image stream last night. It's not exactly a dream, but it's not really imagining either, cause it's just saying what happens in my minds eye. But anyway onto the image stream.

It started off, there was this man, a Christ like figure, with a white robe, long greyish white hair, and a long greyish white beard, with brown leather strapped sandals. He was standing in a clearing of ferns in a forest on Pandora. There were large trees around the clearing, with dark green leaves, and bright green moss on them. The reason I know it was Pandora was because when I looked up at the clear blue sky through the clearing in the tree canopy above the fern clearing I was in, I saw Polyphemus with it's swirling blues and reds and whites.

So, the Christ like figure was walking around in the ferns, and he seemed to be walking aimlessly. Then I realized he was carrying a woven basket. I also noticed that where he walked through the ferns, he would step on them and break their stems, so they would bend down and leave a path behind him. But a little bit after he walked over the ferns, they would grow right back up behind him.

Then I saw inside the basket, and there was a rose inside the basket. Except, it was sort of withered. The petals had turned a dark red, and the stem and leaves had turned a darker withered green. Then I noticed another Christ like figure exactly like the one holding the basket, floating right at the top of the rose. Around him were two miniature black thunder clouds, and they were thundering and raining.

Then, I noticed in the basket there was also a big swirling deep blue wave floating in the basket. It was just at the point of breaking, but never did. On that wave, there was a miniature ship, being sucked up the wave, except it stayed in the same spot. I could see the water moving in the wave and past the boat, but the boat stayed in the same spot. On the boat, there were 3 more mini Christ like figures. One at the front of the ship, one in the crow's nest with a telescope, and one at the wheel, holding it straight. All 3 looked completely determined, staring ahead. Around the wave, it was pouring down rain, just sheets of it hitting the deck of the boat, and the wave, Although the wave was smaller than the rose, it was easily 3x the size of the wooden ship. While this was going on, I could hear the booming thunder from the Christ like figure floating at the top of the rose.

Then, all of a sudden, a 5th Christ like figure appeared at the bottom of the rose. Except, this one had a slightly different robe. It had a hood, and his robe dragged on the ground behind him slightly. He also had a wooden staff. He then held the staff out in front of him, along with his other hand, and I heard a booming deep "Enough."

Then the wind inside the clearing of ferns picked up. It felt like there were two gusts swirling around in the clearing battling each other. Leaves were blowing everywhere. Then, all of a sudden it stopped, the leaves settled, and I didn't hear it rustling the leaves anymore.

Then, starting from the bottom of the rose stem, the color turned from dark withered green to a bright vibrant full of life green. The color rose up the rose, all the way of to the red flower, which became a vibrant bright red. Then, the storm clouds around the Christ guy at the end of the rose stopped. The wave the ship was on settled, and the water became a green mellow turquoise. And I could hear and feel the tiny waves lapping against the bottom of the ship. It felt like the ship was supposed to be exactly in that spot in the water, and that's where it was. It felt like it was perfectly fitting in the calm green water.

Then, all the Christ like figure's greyish white hair turned a pure white. Then, some white clouds covered sky blocking the sun. Then, the clouds parted to make a human like gap if a human were standing with his arms straight out from his sides, and his feet together. Almost like a cross. Then all 5 of the men took on this cross position, including the one holding the basket. I could see the light shining down through the clouds, hitting the christ figure holding the basket, and then the round ring it formed on the groun behind him and his cross like shadow stretching out behind him. Then, all of a sudden, he and the basket and everything in it just disappeared. There was a black flash, then he was gone. There were just the tramped round ring in the ferns from the spot he was standing. No indication of him walking through the ferns.

So I'm just staring at this spot, and a brown bear comes bounding out of the woods, and peers down on the ground where the man was standing. Then looks at me, and bounds back into the woods. So, I walk over and look at the ground where the man was standing, and there's a golden ring. It looked like the lord of the rings rings, with the cursive scrawling around the side. I keep turning it over and over between my fingers, looking at it. Then I look up at the sky, and there's no longer a T shaped break in the clouds, just the greyish white coverage of them. But, then a beam of whitish yellow light comes down and hits me. I'm wearing a red t-shirt, and green khaki shorts. The beam of light slowly pulls me up off the grounds. Slowly I go above the ferns.

And then when my feet are about 2 feet above the ferns,... my alarm goes off... and I snap awake, and the image stream ends. The whole feeling afterwards was just surreal. Reality felt so far away. I even went on a run afterwards, and all I heard were my footsteps. I just felt so surreal, like weightless kinda. Idk if I'm happy my alarm ended the stream there or not, just before I was being pulled into the clouds. Either way it was still an awesome experience, and now I get to wonder what was up there in those clouds.

[Moco Loco]

So, by image stream, you just mean many jumpy events that were extremely vivid?

Sounds cool, I dream pretty vividly about heaven, but not in intense flashes. More like the same kind of way I'd have a normal dream.

[Theorist]

It can vary a lot. Sometimes it's a fluid picture, like the above one was. But yesterday I was describing a beach, then all of a sudden I saw a lamp, and a room, that looked very similar to a room in my house, then all of a sudden that changed to me describing myself outside trying to clean the ash out of the little chimney latch. Usually I get 2-3 fluid streams that are 15-25 minutes of description each, but on a few occasions I'll get a solid continuous one.

I mean it's hard to write the whole thing out on here, because it is roughly 46 minutes of me describing something in the best detail I can, but at least that means they aren't soon forgotten, because unlike a dream, you have to describe so many detailed things.

[apache_blanca]

this was amazing... Interesting this image of a Christ like figure on Pandora great. I also liked the fact that there were several of them, & those "moving-static" pictures, like the clouds with thunderballs & lightnings that kept doing the same - but staying in their place, & the ship on the wave. I don't know what to compare it with - like a film demo that keeps replaying maybe? It's also cool how everything became clearer & healthier when the other figure said: "Enough".

But the best was that beam that was pulling you up - & also your surreal sensation when the vision was over... I know what you talking about, sometimes after this sort of visions I go for some days as if watching everything from above my own head and feeling superbly serene, I don't even remember why I would worry about anything at all ... but then it wears out.

So, would you want to find out what was in the clouds, given another chance?

[Theorist]

I know what you mean about feeling like watching yourself from above. I was on a run once, and I didn't realize it, but I was subconciously narrating what I was doing on my run, then I heard myself say "there goes the young man passing the older lady walking" Then I realized wait that's me passing her. Then it felt almost as if my spirit slammed back into my body when I thought that, because I literally felt my heart jump like it lurched or skipped a beat, and then it started beating really fast, I could feel it pounding away, my heart rate really increased for about 30 seconds before it settled back into it's normal running rate (which is very constant, I maintain a pretty constant heart rate on a run, it doesn't just jump up like that) It was a strange experience.

But anyway, it's funny I see your post today Apache, because just today, after having many image streams that seemed insignificant, I was having one today that seemed insignificant, just a ram and a polar bear fighting on a purple mountain. Then I looked up a tree and saw a pelican in the top of the tree, then I looked to the bottom of the tree,and the Christ like figure was there next to the tree. This time he had two staffs, similar to the one last time. This time, he did the gust of wind thing again, except this time I got pulled up into the clouds, and landed on top of them. I took a bite out of the clouds, and it tasted like snow, but felt like cotton candy, but it wasn't sweet. then I saw the gates to heaven. (well, at least the gates said heaven on them) And the gates opened, and there was this pulsating energy where the gate opened. The figure kept motioning for me to go into it, but I was very reluctant until I eventually did. When I finally did, I was launched off into a whiteness. Not a bland whiteness, more like a white mist. After a while of travel, I came to a clearing in the mist, and below I saw a jungle like island with yellow sand, a blue ocean, jungle likes trees with monkeys swinging in them, a brontosaurus like dinosaur, and a volcano. But the christ figure soon motioned for me to move on, and to follow him. So, he flew off to where I could just make him out at the end of the mist, and I kept following him through the white mist, he was always just at the very end of my eye set through the mist. I kept following him, and then my alarm went off and I woke up.

I was shaking after the experience, it was just so much to take in.

Here's what the gates looked like. It's strange, I've never thought about what the gates to heaven would like or looked at pictures other people thought of before. But, after the stream I google imaged it and found this right there at the front



I mean they literally looked exactly like this. Exactly. Only thing is, is that in this picture, if you looked higher up, you would the the word heaven made out of the metal letters, but you wouldn't be able to see it from the angle of this photo. But it looked exactly like this photo i've never seen bfore.

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Theorist

...it felt almost as if my spirit slammed back into my body when I thought that, because I literally felt my heart jump like it lurched or skipped a beat, and then it started beating really fast, I could feel it pounding away, my heart rate really increased for about 30 seconds before it settled back into it's normal running rate (which is very constant, I maintain a pretty constant heart rate on a run, it doesn't just jump up like that) It was a strange experience.

strange - you betcha! I wonder what they are, these experiences. It happened more than once that I would be, say, in bed, everything is normal (the room, the window, the walls) & I am sure I am Not sleeping - & then there's, e.g., a phone ringing and whoosh! such a feeling of a long fall (almost like Alice in the rabbit hole ) - or maybe the other way around, like coming back from the ocean bottom... The sensation is that of gravity and/or pressure changing very fast, and yes your heart lurches & you're sort of "squeezed" or "slammed" back into your body & it feels pretty uncomfortable! I would sit up with eyes like this O_O & think: "Wait... what happened?"

But anyway, it's funny I see your post today Apache

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yeah, funny cos I read your experience a couple of times since you posted it, & only that day I finally decided to comment

I was shaking after the experience, it was just so much to take in.

why am I not surprised... So you did enter, yeah? I did not ask just out of curiosity. I had an OBE experience, with a wormhole tunnel like Jake & Grace saw during soul transfer, but I didn't enter. What if I liked it out there so much that I wouldn't want to go back?

Here's what the gates looked like. It's strange, I've never thought about what the gates to heaven would like or looked at pictures other people thought of before. But, after the stream I google imaged it and found this right there at the front ...I mean they literally looked exactly like this. Exactly. ..like this photo i've never seen bfore.

haha. And this "swirling energy" that you mentioned - was it like the pattern in your googled image? or did you mean only the gates as such, i.e. the metal structure?
(all these questions are just curiousity... or something).

Oh, and the Christ like figure... he seems a regular guest in your "image streaming". Were there more occasions than the two described? Who he is you think (if any thoughts)? A guide, a guardian angel, a teacher - somebody like this?

[Theorist]

I know the "wait what happened" feeling. It's just a wtf? kinda feeling lol

yeah, I did enter, and I know what you mean, "What if I don't want to go back" I've had some of these, that were so much fun, that waking up kinda sucked, cause the experience is sometimes just better, that once it's over, you just want to go back.

The energy too looked nearly exactly like that in the picture, which caught me by surprise. Cause when I google imaged "Heaven's gates" I was going to see if any had a swirling energy thing, and that one was right there on the first page, looking just like the image in my head.

Your guess to who he is, is as good as mine Maybe's he's a bit of a teacher/guide as to where to go. He brings peace when he's int he streams, a calming peace, so that's something he "teaches" maybe.

[apache_blanca]

Hey Theorist remember this? VVV

Originally Posted by Theorist

...the gates to heaven ...opened, and there was this pulsating energy where the gate opened. The figure kept motioning for me to go into it, but I was very reluctant until I eventually did. ... I was shaking after the experience, it was just so much to take in.

after a Very long time I finally decided to post here my OOBE experience. It was in the beginning of 2007. Iirc only one person on this forum knows about it... But what the bleep really, I might as well go ahead & post it. After all, it's my thread

Ok, here it goes: a very strange experience that I don't know how to classify...
I woke up (or I thought that I woke up) about 2-3 am. Everything was normal: the room, the bookshelves, the window... all the fine details. But one thing that wasn't normal, was a wormhole tunnel hanging right above my bed! I mean, the "tunnel" like the one Jake saw when his soul was transferred from the human body into his avatar. The tunnel was rotating slowly, I could see stars thru it, but it was gaining speed and brightness, & there was also a buzzing sound, like an aircraft on a runway preparing for a take-off. At the same time, I seemed to have a “bifurcated consciousness”: on one side, I was perfectly aware that my physical body was in bed in a horizontal position, but on the other side, some “other body” was being lifted out of it! 25º, 30º, 45º, 60º... the tunnel was rotating faster & faster, & shining almost blindingly, the buzzing was intensifying, too, & somehow I knew that when I reach a vertical position, i.e. will face the tunnel – I’ll be sucked in! And... I backed off. I said: “Listen, whoever is out there – God, angels, spiritual guides... please switch it off! I am not ready. Not that I am afraid to enter a different dimension! It’s the other way around: what if I like it out there so much that I wouldn’t want to go back???” (e.g. I have an irrational “fear” of heights: I am not afraid to fall down, but... I have an urge to jump from high places! ooh, just for some seconds of a flight! )

As if in a response, the tunnel slowed down & little by little got extinguished, & I slowly floated back into my “physical body” (that particular time, the "landing" was smooth).

I was wrecking my brain the whole day about it. Moreso, because it was the whole epoch of transcendental dreams, very powerful , 3-4 a night. The knowledge of everything about everything was rushing into my poor head – what was I supposed to do with it! It was triggered by a strong spiritual experience, and at first it felt great – but after 3 (or 4?) months I was exhausted and afraid that something was wrong with my head...

Then, the next night, I spoke to a friend, & she gave me a good advice that I used: when I was in bed again, I asked: “Please, whoever is out there, and who gave me this “dream gift”: I appreciate it very much – but I don’t know what to do with it! It’s too much information for one human brain! I am asking you, really: please, either take it away – or teach me how to handle it. Little by little, so that I could understand what the dream meant, & how to apply it to my life, or maybe to share it... but please dosify!”

The answer came that very night I saw the tunnel again, but it was rotating slowly, and a thought, like a voice, came into my mind: “The channel (or tunnel?) is open, you can enter whenever you feel it’s right”. I slept well, and, strangely, the dreams changed: since then, they come less frequently, maybe 2 times a month, and are also more “practical”, like, to give me a clue on how to handle a certain situation, or what attitude to take, etc. I am quite all right with that

After Avatar, they became more “Pandoran”. They always help – in the sense of comfort, or “giving a clue”.

So here you are – my personal OOBE (cos i think this is what it was).

[Theorist]

That is pretty amazing, anytime you go out of your body in a dream, it's so surreal. What do you think is on the other side of the tunnel? Is it a physical death but a spiritual birth? I've wondered if maybe our physical body exists now in the physical world, but our spiritual body exists in the spiritual world right now too. Only we are still experiencing the physical world before we move on. Like life is something we have to do be fore we die, or living life of the after life, etc.

But, it's pretty amazing that you received such a straightforward answer. Was this dream before out after Avatar? just wondering about the tunnel being similar to Avatar.

[Theorist]

edit: double posted :p