Out there dreams

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Theorist

That is pretty amazing, anytime you go out of your body in a dream, it's so surreal. What do you think is on the other side of the tunnel? Is it a physical death but a spiritual birth? I've wondered if maybe our physical body exists now in the physical world, but our spiritual body exists in the spiritual world right now too. Only we are still experiencing the physical world before we move on. Like life is something we have to do be fore we die, or living life of the after life, etc.

hehe thanks I only describe here the most spectacular dreams... But yes, I have some...

What's on the other side of the tunnel... during that particular experience I was certain that if I chose to stay "out there" (& I would have probably liked it much better than "here"!) - then, I am almost sure, I would have died here in the physical world - & I wasn't sure whether I was ready so that's why I backed off. (I'll post another one, which had do to with this question - & making the choice )


As for spiritual world /spiritual body... well a spiritual body wouldn't be tied by physical limitations, like gravity, air, pressure, temperature, hunger/thirst etc. etc. so - imho - it can freely move between the different worlds / dimensions. Like in my dreams / meditations - or in your image streaming. And life... since I tend to oriental philosophies (altho I don't strictly follow any tradition) - I prefer to believe that there are Many lives, & there are also lives between lives. In a nutshell "up/out there" is a theory and "down here" is practice; depends on how we "pass the tests" we move on to the "upper courses" or get to repeat the same one, as much as necessary - until we finally "get it". That's why we face so many humps & bumps - compare driving theory with driving classes?

Also, if we think of parallel universes - if they exist - then who knows, here I am a woman of my appearance, age, name, fingerprints, DNA etc. etc - whereas in some parallel universe I can be that purple humanoid from my pre-Avatar dream, or a Na'vi, or just a sphere of light floating around! The only limit here is the imagination... or "what dreams may come".

But, it's pretty amazing that you received such a straightforward answer.

heheh I was pretty much surprised too! my feeling on waking up was almost "Eywa has heard me!" only that I hadn't seen Avatar yet. But since then, it became more & more a regular occurrence Very often I ask a question before falling asleep - & get a rather sound & practical answer in a dream. It could be symbolic - but it could be rather straightforward, like that time.
"They" (whoever that was) told me the truth: the "channel", or "tunnel" was open, and still is, & since I am "maintaining it in a working condition" (i.e. keep asking questions & pay attention to the answers - sometimes I am a right nuissance! ) - it is "clean" & the info can "travel" easily to and fro. Have you ever tried this "Dream Q&A"?

Was this dream before out after Avatar? just wondering about the tunnel being similar to Avatar.

it was in February or March 2007 - quite a while before Avatar! But to see the tunnel was not really surprising for me cos I was reading a lot on Life-Death-Life, & this tunnel is quite a typical vision. The "soul transfer" tunnel in Avatar seemed a good enough way to describe it

[Ateyo leSyaksyuk]

Once I dreamt that my mother intruded on my privacy and started scolding me for sharing a bed with my partner. In my dream I chased her off for being so rude.
This dream turned out to be true! I have been in relation with the woman in my dreams for almost nineteen years now. (Mom never walked in on us, but disapproved until just recently)
I have other dreams where places have appeared in my dreams that I has later come across. But the dream I described earlier is by far, the most significant.

[Moco Loco]

I'd say this one is pretty "out there", but a long read, many posts in length. I posted it in General despite it being both about Pandora and quite out there
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/general...tml#post167954
It's very different from any dream I've ever had before, being in first person but not as myself. It was also a bit Wizard of Oz, which I failed to mention before, in that several characters were clearly modeled off of people from my real life.

[Mika]

I've had this type of dream experiences before, but tonights was also a bit different. Its the kind of dream where you think you've woken up and gotten out of bed and started doing what you'd be doing, only to suddenly realise you're not awake, but still in bed dreaming, so then you 'wake' yourself up, supposedly, and this repeats itself a few times, untill you 'really' do finally wake up. So in this dream that keeps happening and each time I get to the kitchen to turn on the lights but each time the lights won't work, and in one of the 'episodes' i hear radio sounds come on when I try to turn the over the stove fan light on. Finally in the last 'reoccurance' instead of trying to turn the lights on, having in the dreams come to the conclusion that it's my electromagnetic energy thats interferring (like people who can't wear watches, or electronics that blip when they touch them) I instead reach up to the lightbulb turn it on by sending it my energy instead, and it works. I also then in the dream 'feel' a constiction around me, that I hadn't noticed till then, suddenly release, and I don't feel that consticture pressure any more. After this I do finally wake up for real.

It was very unusual.

[Theorist]

Originally Posted by apache_blanca

hehe thanks I only describe here the most spectacular dreams... But yes, I have some...

What's on the other side of the tunnel... during that particular experience I was certain that if I chose to stay "out there" (& I would have probably liked it much better than "here"!) - then, I am almost sure, I would have died here in the physical world - & I wasn't sure whether I was ready so that's why I backed off. (I'll post another one, which had do to with this question - & making the choice )


As for spiritual world /spiritual body... well a spiritual body wouldn't be tied by physical limitations, like gravity, air, pressure, temperature, hunger/thirst etc. etc. so - imho - it can freely move between the different worlds / dimensions. Like in my dreams / meditations - or in your image streaming. And life... since I tend to oriental philosophies (altho I don't strictly follow any tradition) - I prefer to believe that there are Many lives, & there are also lives between lives. In a nutshell "up/out there" is a theory and "down here" is practice; depends on how we "pass the tests" we move on to the "upper courses" or get to repeat the same one, as much as necessary - until we finally "get it". That's why we face so many humps & bumps - compare driving theory with driving classes?

Also, if we think of parallel universes - if they exist - then who knows, here I am a woman of my appearance, age, name, fingerprints, DNA etc. etc - whereas in some parallel universe I can be that purple humanoid from my pre-Avatar dream, or a Na'vi, or just a sphere of light floating around! The only limit here is the imagination... or "what dreams may come".


heheh I was pretty much surprised too! my feeling on waking up was almost "Eywa has heard me!" only that I hadn't seen Avatar yet. But since then, it became more & more a regular occurrence Very often I ask a question before falling asleep - & get a rather sound & practical answer in a dream. It could be symbolic - but it could be rather straightforward, like that time.
"They" (whoever that was) told me the truth: the "channel", or "tunnel" was open, and still is, & since I am "maintaining it in a working condition" (i.e. keep asking questions & pay attention to the answers - sometimes I am a right nuissance! ) - it is "clean" & the info can "travel" easily to and fro. Have you ever tried this "Dream Q&A"?


it was in February or March 2007 - quite a while before Avatar! But to see the tunnel was not really surprising for me cos I was reading a lot on Life-Death-Life, & this tunnel is quite a typical vision. The "soul transfer" tunnel in Avatar seemed a good enough way to describe it

As far as a straightforward answer, I rarely hear anything in my dreams. And if I do, it is music, almost never speech unfortunately. I did once have this math problem I couldn't figure out, but then in my dream that night, I did the math problem, then when I woke up, I remembered what I did, and it worked... yeah kinda nerdy lol, but still kinda cool.

So you've been having this reoccurring dream though about once every 2 months since 2007? That's pretty astonishing.

I haven't had any memorable ones in awhile, except this one: I was there on a dirt path in a forest of countless oak trees. They were all in Autumn color. Beautiful red, yellow, and brown leaves everywhere. Covering the ground, and the canopy. Then all of a sudden, there was a big whoosh. Everything became Winter. About 2 feet of snow on the ground. Every tree was a bare purple withered husk of itself. Except one. There was one brown dead leaf on one tree. Then it broke off, and fell to the snow. I felt an immense sadness when this happened. Then I watched as the wind blew the snow and slowly covered the last leaf little by little. Somehow I knew in my dream that this was the last leaf ever. And in my dream, I could see tears from my eyes dripping out into the snow as I hopelessly watched the last leaf disappear under the snow. Then once it disappeared I fell down into the snow, immensely sad, and stayed like that for the rest of the dream.

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Ateyo leSyaksyuk

Once I dreamt that my mother intruded on my privacy and started scolding me .... In my dream I chased her off for being so rude.
This dream turned out to be true! ... (Mom never walked in on us, but disapproved until just recently)

those mothers! or, parents... I posted one of mine here on Layzie's thread.

I have other dreams where places have appeared in my dreams that I has later come across.

that's pretty cool, what's "later"? Are we talking days, months... years? I sent to Niri Te one of my pre-visions about Dubai - ten years before I got there! the vision & the RL image were almost identical, including heat, sounds, smells... Weird!

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

I'd say this one is pretty "out there", but a long read, many posts in length. I posted it in General despite it being both about Pandora and quite out there
http://www.tree-of-souls.com/general...tml#post167954
It's very different from any dream I've ever had before.

yeah, i read it, it Is different! as I said there it looks like a story -did you dream it all in one night, or are we talking "sequels"? your meetup / Pandora dreams are interesting anyway: one, you're pretty spot on on the personalities of the people involved: how would you know that I have my way with animals? that "dangerous" (according to their owners) dogs can come & lick my hand, & lean on me, & very timid cats come out of their hidings & sit on my lap as if they've known me forever? it doesn't happen always - but regularly. The other thing is the "dream evolution": you used to be shot every time you got to Pandora - but then "something happened" (you got your Avatar body iir) - & you were never shot again. Yes... interesting...

Originally Posted by Mika

...the kind of dream where you think you've woken up and gotten out of bed and started doing what you'd be doing, only to suddenly realise you're not awake, but still in bed dreaming... ...each time I get to the kitchen to turn on the lights but each time the lights won't work, ... Finally I come to the conclusion that it's my electromagnetic energy thats interferring ...I instead reach up to the lightbulb turn it on by sending it my energy instead, and it works. I also then in the dream 'feel' a constiction around me, that I hadn't noticed till then, suddenly release, and I don't feel that consticture pressure any more. After this I do finally wake up for real.

It was very unusual.

I like dreams of this kind: they seem pretty ordinary & yet, there is an important conclusion - like here: instead of trying to do something mechanically, you opted for "a different way" & it worked. Are you doing anything to do with "your own energy" - e.g. reiki? and what about that constriction - I wonder if you feel better in RL after that dream? It happens to me sometimes, that after a Dream healing I wake up feeling more "whole" & invigorated. Wish it happened more often

Originally Posted by Theorist

As far as a straightforward answer, I rarely hear anything in my dreams. And if I do, it is music, almost never speech unfortunately. .

erm... well then - if you want my humble opinion - in case of music or a similar "answer" I would say "go for the sensation". What does it make you feel? Good? Bad? Inspiration? Warning? A long etc.? This could be a - symbolic - answer. Honestly, I rarely get a straightforward answer, too - apart from some exceptional cases like my very first Avatar dream, when I literally screamed for help - & I was answered in a very clear way, moreover, I remembered the words, not just the feeling - which is pretty extraordinary.

I ...in my dream that night, I did the math problem, then when I woke up, I remembered what I did, and it worked... yeah kinda nerdy lol, but still kinda cool

why in the world nerdy, imho yes it was cool

So you've been having this reoccurring dream though about once every 2 months since 2007? That's pretty astonishing.

did you mean "do I see the tunnel every two months?" - no, I don't. What I mean by "regular dream guidance" is that I get "answer dreams" or "guidance dreams" regularly & somehow they clear up my doubts. However, it doesn't happen every time: for what I can deduce, "they" only give answers when one had tried one's best & still cannot find one, & the question is really important. If I don't get a reply that could mean that I am a nuissance, my question is a whim, I can sort it out on my own... or I am not prepared for the answer to that particular question. Sometimes it's about rephrasing the question, or giving it time... or stopping being a nuissance! But they do answer important questions - like that "Why do I feel this way about this movie? What's happening to me???"

... ...in my dream, I could see tears from my eyes dripping out into the snow as I hopelessly watched the last leaf disappear under the snow. Then once it disappeared I fell down into the snow, immensely sad, and stayed like that for the rest of the dream.

oh goody this is a really sad one! wow man... I wonder what caused that dream? if anything...

[Moco Loco]

Yeah well, my dreams always sort of trend that way, and I pick up queues about someone's personality from being in here so much, I suppose. If my Pandora dreams are different in any significant way, they are because of their beauty and because of the number of people I dream about, upwards of 20 sometimes, the vast majority of whom I have never met. That long one was really special though, and amazingly all in one night.

[Moco Loco]

That is pretty much the only word to describe it, "epic". There are actually some bits I did leave out, but may post later. That experience sounds truly terrifying, and I admire you for talking about it so openly. Many of us would be too unsettled and never acknowledge that it happened at all.

[Moco Loco]

Right, but I also meant that just posting here was pretty brave, to many strangers who don't know Ateyo so well. Either way, crazy story.

[Ateyo leSyaksyuk]

Originally Posted by moco loco

right, but i also meant that just posting here was pretty brave, to many strangers who don't know ateyo so well. Either way, crazy story.

yup on second thought, i have deleted my post

[Niri Te]

Don't worry oeya yawnetu, I will be on your six flying cover for you.
Niri Te AKA "Bad News Six"

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Ateyo leSyaksyuk

yup on second thought, i have deleted my post

what post? have I read it? If Ateyo deleted it - that's a personal choice that I can't but respect. But Ateyo is a fighter as I noticed & with Niri Te they make a potent mix

Added:

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

That is pretty much the only word to describe it, "epic". There are actually some bits I did leave out, but may post later. That experience sounds truly terrifying, and I admire you for talking about it so openly. Many of us would be too unsettled and never acknowledge that it happened at all.

sorry , I am getting a bit confused: would you please tell me what's "epic"? My OOBE? It took me about a year to pull my guts together & post it - but I did, now that I know that there are people who could be interested.

Your dream? Definitely epic. (imho you should have posted it on "I dreamed about Pandora" - that beautiful thread needs a boost). Your dream-story is Very movie-like, with lots of details, a good emotional content, keeps us "fans" in suspense... (I liked different things about it but I'd say especially when you wanted to link back to your Avatar in the hut - altho your experience in the jungle can't be called a pleasant one, but something happened & you wanted to be back there. I also reckon it was a loss for Eampin - he finally had somebody to talk about books with - & this somebody was gone so soon! ). Imho you could be writing fiction. If you want to feel more confident - there are creative writing courses. Or something. But imho you have the talent. If I get to write anything, that would be most likely fairy-tales.

Or was Ateyo's deleted post epic? ah well *sigh* then I wouldn't know I guess (unless... whisper: Ateyo, fancy PM-ing me that deleted post? )

[Niri Te]

E-mail or PM me and I will tell you the reasons why.
Niri Te

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

E-mail or PM me and I will tell you the reasons why.
Niri Te

aw right! fair play, now I understand. Irayo!

[Moco Loco]

Super, now I have three posts in a row which make no sense at all BTW Ateyo, I wasn't saying you shouldn't have posted it, just that not many people would have.

Originally Posted by apache_blanca

sorry , I am getting a bit confused: would you please tell me what's "epic"? My OOBE? It took me about a year to pull my guts together & post it - but I did, now that I know that there are people who could be interested.

Your dream? Definitely epic. (imho you should have posted it on "I dreamed about Pandora" - that beautiful thread needs a boost). Your dream-story is Very movie-like, with lots of details, a good emotional content, keeps us "fans" in suspense... (I liked different things about it but I'd say especially when you wanted to link back to your Avatar in the hut - altho your experience in the jungle can't be called a pleasant one, but something happened & you wanted to be back there. I also reckon it was a loss for Eampin - he finally had somebody to talk about books with - & this somebody was gone so soon! ). Imho you could be writing fiction. If you want to feel more confident - there are creative writing courses. Or something. But imho you have the talent. If I get to write anything, that would be most likely fairy-tales.

Or was Ateyo's deleted post epic? ah well *sigh* then I wouldn't know I guess (unless... whisper: Ateyo, fancy PM-ing me that deleted post? )

I meant "epic" in literally the epic poetry type way, no worries
Your OOBE was pretty cool, but I was referring to my dream and Ateyo's deleted post right then. I think I posted a link to it on the Pandora Dream thread, but my own thread needed its boost, and sometimes it's hard to decide You're right though, it's better suited to that thread. So many dream threads around here
A big part of the reason I wanted to save my avatar was because my normal job in the RDA warehouse area sucks, and I'd rather be in the beautiful outdoors Also, by that time, I had put so much effort into learning how to properly maneuver in that body, that to lose it felt like a terrible waste.
(Between you and I, this dream is not over, I just got tired of writing and may pick it back up at a later time.)
For sure, I feel like this whole story (taking place over several months) could've been much longer than I even wrote it, but it's hard for me to dwell on little things and write with details, to expand time, in a manner of speaking. I was taking creative writing classes for a couple months in highschool, but I didn't feel like I was very good at it. Some people said I was great, some people said I was crappy, but I just didn't feel very talented, so I switched to media (which I'm still always on the fence about and partially regretting). Thanks though, it always means a lot when somebody tells me they like something I've done