AL-QAEDA orders the burning of American Forests

[Niri Te]

In the 70's and 80's they slowed down the clear cutting of the forests in Washington State, and Oregon. They protected trees that could not protect themselves from corporate greed.

If you are happy with the way that the second world war was won by the allies, Then you support the FIREBOMBING OF DRESDEN. That city was fire bombed strictly to cause HUGE CIVILIAN DEATHS.

If I use your yardstick for Hypocrisy, then if you are at all happy at the outcome of the second world war, and do not hold any and all responsible for the planning and execution of the firebombing raids on Germany, by your own standards, you are a Hypocrite. Terrorists ONLY understand terror, and must be dealt with through the means that they understand.
There were some "civilian casualties" (if you count the operators of the saws at the mills, and those that swung the chainsaws in the woods as civilians). That would mean that by those standards, an SS Corporal who shoved the Jews into the "showers" at Dachau, was "only a civilian" in the grand scheme of things, and not guilty of Genocide, only the senior Officers were "Combatants". They were ALL in the Army, therefore they were all targets.
No one that I am aware of who did not work for the lumber companies was ever killed by any of the actions of" EARTH FIRST!", and to place them in the same category as the ones who planned, and carried out the attacks on the twin towers would make you look like as though you were suffering from the height of ignorance, please explain yourself, when you lump "EARTH FIRST!" with Al Oaeda.
Niri Te

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

In the 70's and 80's they slowed down the clear cutting of the forests in Washington State, and Oregon. They protected trees that could not protect themselves from corporate greed.

If you are happy with the way that the second world war was won by the allies, Then you support the FIREBOMBING OF DRESDEN. That city was fire bombed strictly to cause HUGE CIVILIAN DEATHS.

If I use your yardstick for Hypocrisy, then if you are at all happy at the outcome of the second world war, and do not hold any and all responsible for the planning and execution of the firebombing raids on Germany, by your own standards, you are a Hypocrite. Terrorists ONLY understand terror, and must be dealt with through the means that they understand.
Niri Te

Ah, WTF? Did I ever say the Allies were blameless in their conduct? No.

You go ON AND ON AND ON about Vietnam even though nobody really cares at all and you just take every single thread as an opportunity to talk about yourself - by your own post above that would mean you support the events of My Lai or numerous other war crimes that are associated. I do think (and hope) that isn't the case, but that is what your own post just implied. What you are engaging in is called an association fallacy and a false dichotomy (AKA "You're either with us or against us").

People like Earth First hurt their own cause by making it easy to cast anyone with a similar view as a terrorist, because what they do is undeniably terrorism. When referencing terrorism, you can't pick and choose incidents to fit one side of a political view; it has to be all or nothing - that is, that terrorists who are on the same side politically are still just as much example as ones on opposite sides.

[Niri Te]

Point well made, HNM. I agree that "EARTH FIRST!" did NOT need all the bad press that they got when several "Working class Joe's" were seriously injured or killed by a saw blade exploding when it hit the embedded spike in the log.
I believe that "EARTH FIRST" did not want any "working Joe's" to get hurt, and I believe that because they WARNED the lumber company's that there spiking the trees to keep them out of a highly environmentally sensitive area of forest, not the entire forests of the North West.
I may be wrong here, but my personal definition of a terrorist act, is one where civilians are either the primary target, or no attempt is made to keep them away from harm, and a terrorist organization is a group that practices such attacks. While some could be brought up on murder charges for the spiking deaths, I don't think that the group planned any people to be harmed, I think that they hoped that the lumber company's would just leave that section of the forest alone once they were warned.
I am a lot more comfortable with their disabling millions in heavy logging equipment, where no one was hurt. Illegal? Yes, but no one was hurt.
I only post this so that you folks know that I don't condone the intentional targeting of innocent civilians by anyone.

[iron_jones]

Originally Posted by Tsyal Makto

If they enjoy keeping their brains in their skulls they'll stay the hell away from our forests. If not, I've got various...utilities that should get the job done.

Big boy.