Nissan faces Class Action over it's "Leaf" vehicle

[Niri Te]

HERE s PROOF of what I have been saying, that Electric vehicles are NOT what they are cracked up to be, and it will take DECADES till they are a viable option to the gasoline powered vehicle. Here in West Texas, where a trip to the Post Office and local cafe for coffee is a FIFTY TWO mile round trip, a trip to do any shopping, a one hundred ten mile trip, and a trip for a Veteran's Administration Medical visit, a one hundred fifty mile round trip, they will NEVER be able to compete with Gasoline powered vehicles. There are MANY other rural locations in this Country that are JUST as remote, and some even MORE so, but I am familiar with the distances from Hudspeth County, Texas, as I live here
Niri Te

Class Action Charges Nissan with LEAF Greenwash | CleanTechies Blog - CleanTechies.com

[Raiden]

Heh.

I was waiting for this bomb to explode.

If someone wants to greenwash something, they shouldn't use water-soluble lies.

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

HERE s PROOF of what I have been saying, that Electric vehicles are NOT what they are cracked up to be, and it will take DECADES till they are a viable option to the gasoline powered vehicle. Here in West Texas, where a trip to the Post Office and local cafe for coffee is a FIFTY TWO mile round trip, a trip to do any shopping, a one hundred ten mile trip, and a trip for a Veteran's Administration Medical visit, a one hundred fifty mile round trip, they will NEVER be able to compete with Gasoline powered vehicles. There are MANY other rural locations in this Country that are JUST as remote, and some even MORE so, but I am familiar with the distances from Hudspeth County, Texas, as I live here
Niri Te

Class Action Charges Nissan with LEAF Greenwash | CleanTechies Blog - CleanTechies.com

They aren't being targeted at you. They're being targeted at people who live in towns and cities, where a fifty two mile trip will take you to all of those places in one journey, twice over.

And personally, I think it's more accurate to call this "dodgy advertising." It's still an electric car - just one slightly less powerful than was being advertised.

[Niri Te]

If they are being targeted at people in cities, then the whole concept is stupid, and not really needed. I used to live in Munich for two years, and I never used my car to go anywhere where I didn't need it's trunk for something, and that trunk on a 1965 Mustang 2+2, was a LOT larger than the ones in electric vehicles. Anywhere that I need to go, I could get there with the "S" Bahn, "U" Bahn, or Trams, so an electric car would be a waste. What I DID use the Mustang for, was playing "HEEERRE Porsche, Porsche, Porsche" in the left lane of the Autobahns from Munich, to where my Brother was stationed in Giessen, which AGAIN, is too far of a trip for an electric car, and I doubt REAL seriously, that one could have kept up with my built up Mustang that would run all night at 140 MPH.
If they are meant to reduce pollution in the cities, why not adopt public transportation systems like they have in any large city in Germany, CLOSE OFF the city to privately owned cars, and leave the cars for inter city travel??

[Exoblade]

Originally Posted by Clarke

And personally, I think it's more accurate to call this "dodgy advertising." It's still an electric car - just one slightly less powerful than was being advertised.

I agree this seems more like bad advertising combined with a poorly designed car, the article even says that the battery design is unlike other eletric cars.

Originally Posted by Niri Te

If they are being targeted at people in cities, then the whole concept is stupid, and not really needed. I used to live in Munich for two years, and I never used my car to go anywhere where I didn't need it's trunk for something, and that trunk on a 1965 Mustang 2+2, was a LOT larger than the ones in electric vehicles. Anywhere that I need to go, I could get there with the "S" Bahn, "U" Bahn, or Trams, so an electric car would be a waste. What I DID use the Mustang for, was playing "HEEERRE Porsche, Porsche, Porsche" in the left lane of the Autobahns from Munich, to where my Brother was stationed in Giessen, which AGAIN, is too far of a trip for an electric car, and I doubt REAL seriously, that one could have kept up with my built up Mustang that would run all night at 140 MPH.
If they are meant to reduce pollution in the cities, why not adopt public transportation systems like they have in any large city in Germany, CLOSE OFF the city to privately owned cars, and leave the cars for inter city travel??

Yes, the reason american cities public transport systems are so bad is partly due to the car culture, partly due to a lack of federal transport strategy/finance and lumbering state and local planning committees that drag on your years. Even if they do develop a public transport system it will often be over-budget and won't get people out of their cars.

Los Angeles set up the Metropolitan Transportation Authority as a metro system to transport people around the city and reduce congestion, not only did it get less people that it expected, it did not service some areas of the city that had grown up in the time it was built and it didn't cut down traffic since people had to drive to the stations.

[Human No More]

Electric cars are a placebo. Sure, they reduce emissions per mile, but they are far more environmentally costly to manufacture to the point that only the high-mileage use cases will have a lower impact, and then only when compensated over the entire life of the vehicle, even before range and convenience (or rather, the lack of it) come into play.

Hybrids have the same problem of total impact vs. end efficiency. Honestly, I don't see these problems ever being resolved to a satisfactory level. Hybrids are a good stopgap for high usage cases, but often enough, people want to do something visible even if it has a neutral or negative impact, and this will continue until hydrogen fuel cells become viable.

Originally Posted by Exoblade

Yes, the reason american cities public transport systems are so bad is partly due to the car culture, partly due to a lack of federal transport strategy/finance and lumbering state and local planning committees that drag on your years. Even if they do develop a public transport system it will often be over-budget and won't get people out of their cars.

...and partly because of public transport's inherent flaws. Even in cities with comparatively good systems, there are always capacity problems, as anyone who's been on the Northern or District Line can tell you
It's a problem of planning - plan for future growth, and it will never be enough. Build for it from the start, and it will be too expensive and be a loss leader for a long time. In some cases, it simply becomes mismanaged and inefficient - over here, the railways are both one of the most expensive and one of the least reliable systems in the western world... but used to be worse.