Dreams (general)

[allroock123]

After seeing Avatar my dreams "Changed" and not in the way one would expect ,while I have allways respected dreams as our minds way of reflecting on our inner thoughts often in a rather abstract manor, I never expected dreams to be a useful tool , while I still have abstract dreams that defy reason, after Avatar many of my dreams started having a pointed direction to questions I was asking about our humanitys path and the deep roots to issues that effected our peoples "bonds" causing discourse in our familys,Sociaty,and global relations I felt a very deep bond to "The people" that pointed like a old memory to an echo from our ancient past this was very emotive and insightful but also perplexing at times as one should naturly question if this is a truthful or delusional experence , I challenge people if they are intrested in the power of dream to take a honest deep look under Camerons Na'Vi native Mythology, take a look at the deep roots of where this Mythology comes from and how the film points from its first line of dialog to our "Dream" understanding" The fantasy Na'Vi people in there culture point to some very sublime but quite real roots "They are called "The Omaticaya clan" and there Clan mother "moat" (The role of the Clan mother Is very important in understanding Native world view) Is a wisdom keeper in there sociaty and a strong hearted female leader, The Na'vi culture has true deep roots in Global Native understanding and takes very direct examples from there mythology and lore storys. Cameron "Mirrored" this through a fantasy shell the deep mythology and cultural Lore accross many cultures, The Na'Vi seem familer for a reason as they have deep underlying cultural spiritual connections "Yet" are also have there own Unique twist on things they are very hard to label from our preconceived memorys they are simply "Native like peoples of Camerons world" , Its very important to take a look at Cultural Refrences on How native peoples "view Dreams" Inside most of us is a shared collective dream but we each have our own unique personal "dream" as well that drives our sense of place in the world there are some universal connections "We all dream about flying at one time or another, and we all dream to be truly "Free" where this comes from is a part of our deep primal understanding as a living being. Take a look at the first line of Dialog in Avatar and you can see how the film points to our "Dream understanding' and calls it to the surface gives it importance if the majority of cinema Audiece "shares this dream" it becomes more then just a thought from inside it is universal part of all this lets us "Re-Bond" collectivly to our own true inner dream as person and collectivly as a people and this is where Avatar is "Very Unique" and for some profoundly powerful in that it lets them see this with there own eyes and feel this understanding from there hearts deep inside, a call to follow there true inner dream as a person and reconnect this "Bond" to our deep humanity and sense of place in this world that we have "lost" to See the world like a "Na'Vi" Reflecting back on ourselves and our people and what binds us together to our inner accountabilty and true empathy for others as a person and our a part in the Web of life, this understanding and view is a very powerful tool for global change as we can not deny what we "see" in our own reflection.

[Moco Loco]

Yeah, most people don't want to hear about dreams. "Hey, let me tell you this crazy story that doesn't really make sense and never actually happened!" But, I guess I like hearing about them because I have quite a lot of them and they're generally vivid and realistic. I can't say I've ever had dreams that seemed to predict things, though both my parents and many of my friends have said it happens to them.
I don't know what to think about dream symbolism, since it seems like a lot of that probably depends on the culture you were raised in, but I can guess a lot of the time why I dream about certain things. I guess I've developed a kind of continuity with the stuff I dream about since it happens so often, and I've had a lot of time to think about it. In my dreams, lions are usually always nice because I like them. If they seem wild towards other people, they're 95% of the time nice to me. If a lion is not nice to me, I think it means that something which usually feels comfortable and safe is now threatening, or that I'm afraid of something. As for actual common dream symbolism, I do get the bones breaking teeth falling out stuff quite a lot, which is supposed to mean you're insecure or doubtful, but I've had those pretty consistently my whole life no matter what's going on, especially when I've tried lucid dreaming. I can't balance, my legs break, my teeth fall out, my hair, or something else like that. Decay seems to be a recurring thing, and I doubt it always means I'm self conscious or whatever those dream symbolists say.

[Empty Glass]

Originally Posted by MGCJerry

I've had dreams continue after my "death" and with some of the material I've read, dying in your own dream in general isn't a good thing. I havent found a connection yet, maybe I have a death fetish?

Interesting. I recently died in one of my own dreams but I was jolted awake at the very point of death. (I was crawling on my back on the floor of a store, trying to get away from this rampaging guy with a shotgun. He gave an evil smile as he held the gun at me at point blank range, and I scowled and gave him the finger right before he pulled the trigger and hit the right side of my neck, causing me to wake up.) I don't know if that would be considered the same as dying and then continuing on with the dream? I'm intrigued and a little scared right now.

[Raiden]

I had a dream a while back that I was a human-sized mecha (japanese style), fighting a much larger aircraft carrier-like mecha.

I was a machine, but I could think like a person, as if I had a mostly mechanical/biomechanical body but an organic nervous system. The only part I remember that clearly is that I was standing on another aircraft carrier, and then the enemy mech was trying to fire a huge cannon, but I cut it in half with a plasma blade and it exploded, after which I finished it off.

I always have dreams like this. I used to have nightmares where monsters and things would chase me, but then I fought back and beat the crap out of the monsters. I never had a nightmare again after that.

[Human No More]

I think everyone dies in their dreams at some point. Certainly I do - not regularly, but certainly at least a few times.

Raiden, that's a great idea... I'll have to try and remember that myself next time

[apache_blanca]

As for dream symbolism, i would agree with those who say: "The best person to interpret a dream is the dreamer him/herself cos they know like nobody else the subtleties of their life, and what feeling or situation coud inspire this or that image". Like one can dream of a tiger, the other of an earthquake, and someone else of a war, - different images but the feeling is that of a 'danger'.

I don't remember ever dying in my dreams but I had a repetitive dream about a conversation with Death it replayed three years in a row, always around Christmas (2005, 2006, 2007). Actually I am lying; the first 'death dream' was early or mid-December 2004, but it was different: I was in a bus full of people going thru a forest, and then three eagles flew over the bus. People started saying that those eagles were German I looked closer at the shape of their heads & wings, & decided 'this must be true' (go figure, why). Then, a flying... deer flew right over the bus flapping its antlers it would have been simply a weird dream but people in the bus started saying: "Look, it's Death!" But the 'death' didn't pay any attention to the bus, & went on to some more important business.
A few days later - that Xmas of 2004 - one of my stepsons was killed in a traffic accident. He was German.

After that, for 3 consecutive years around Xmas I had a dream which was almost exact every time: Death would appear as an old woman dressed in black, it didn't inspire fear but definitely a respect and 'this is not a laughing matter!" feeling. I would ask whether it was my time, it would say no - but that it needed help. When I would cautiously inquire: "What kind of help?" - it would launch in a long explanation that it had been millions & millions of years that it had been doing that very hard work, all alone, very badly misunderstood & badly spoken about. It wanted an assistant. When I would ask, again: "And what do I have to do with it?" - the dream would finish.

then, once I Was Death the scene was as if from Karate Kids: I was a teacher of two kids, about 12 or 13, we finished some lesson & were sitting at a mountain side casually chatting. I looked like the woman from Terminator 2. Then... another 'me' showed up, but there was no body, only walking clothes. That other 'me' was Death, it was carrying a scythe. It stopped several meters from where we were sitting, made some Bruce Lee-like show with the scythe, then put it on the ground & bowed. 'Me the Terminator woman' didn't know what to do, so 'I' got up & bowed, too. The end.

[Human No More]

Sounds sad...

[apache_blanca]

irayo for the compassion (sincerely, I am not being sarcastic - for a change). I didn't feel particularly sad (apart from the case of my stepson ) . But Death dreams caused more a sensation of respect to a huge power that I didn't know much about, so they were quite a bit... unnerving.

As for 'being an assistant for Death' ... maybe the books of Elisabet Kübler-Ross "About Death and Dying" and those of some Spanish author, sometimes, help me to help people to handle death of their near & dear when it comes. Death is such a huge taboo in this society, and yet it Does happen sooner or later (like with my stepson), so people Must know at least some ... techniques and clues on how to handle it. At least to say a Na'vi-like prayer. Or simply be present & talk to the dying person, or grief-stricken relatives - about their memories, or remembering some special events... or something.

But I am deviating the thread (linking out)

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by MGCJerry

...I don't want to hijack this thread so if you want to talk about this separately perhaps we could create a topic on the matter?

err... it could be a good idea actually... In a Community Support subforum maybe? people have to deal with death quite often, they share it & need support - your experience may help.

Now back to dreams:

Originally Posted by MGCJerry

... ...Here's a couple of my examples.

A week before my father was admitted to the hospital I had a dream ... ...the dream came out of nowhere. I only found about him being admitted to the hospital in critical condition through Facebook which I rarely used.

One more interesting one that I told family about eerily resembled reality. 11 Years ago, I had a dream about my cousin. ...

impressive the dreams & the reality are sad, but I am impressed by the fact 'it came out of nowhere' - & happened to be true.

There have been other such dreams I've had and if they're disturbing enough or has a "gritty real-world" feel I pay attention to them and look for signs in the real world.

*applause* same here bro. I have many dreams, but it could be just a reflection of whatever my mind has to process, they don't always have to have a message or a sign. However, I pay attention to a dream if it has a *feel* to it (good or bad), if I can't get it out of my head etc, then try to parallel it with the real life. Most of the time it helps.

Funny enough I've solved real world problems after seeing a solution in a dream. Yes, mainly work related. In both events above, I told others about the dream a day or two after I've had them.

do you want to share that? or PM me if you feel like, as you see I am quite a bit into Dreamhunting

I dreamed about tsunamis 4 times in a month before the tsunami of Japan. But I thought that my subconscious was warning me of some impeding danger, I had no idea that that was to be a real disaster!
Last month, I had two tsunami dreams, again

I don't usually talk about this stuff much because I've always been told that I'm "crazy" or "Cool story bro".

you're not alone.

[Moco Loco]

I have to say, this has never happened to me. Even when I had those dreams about my grandpa dying, I already knew he was sick, and the one I had before I'd heard anything about him was very vague, the way you can get a sense of something without seeing it in dreams.

[apache_blanca]

Originally Posted by MGCJerry

...Unless if something like this happens to someone they'll never believe or understand.

"I must get some samples" and "The scientist stays objective" come to mind.

[allroock123]

There is a very strong connection betwean Avatar and our dream understanding I have tryed to speak on this a number of times and there seems little intrest in this subject
simply take a look at the very first line of dialog Jake speaks in the film, I started having these dreams of flying "I was free" sooner or later though one has to "wake up" if one takes a honest look at the Core cultural roots running under the film one will find the film mirrors the cultutal spiritual practices of many Central and South American Dream culture native peoples including there shamantic cermonys including the never included Dream hunt Cermony Jake takes part in with Moat and other Navi tribe members including Neytiri and later refrences in verse like "I was allone in the place where the eye does not see" I allready spoke on how my dreams changed after the film every person has a there own unique experence, but one thing is for certan Avatar can sure point to a very deep part of our primal inner core understanding connected directly to our heart it truly lets us experence a connection to the core sense of being that for the most part is disconnected and not held in value in non native cultures, for some the Na'Vi reflect on very deep core memorys and these memorys often express themselves through dreams
there is a saying "Life is a dream, and we are the dreamer" there are also people exploring our Quantum connection to the web of life that for the most part is seen as being Spiritual "magic" by the mainstream science community but Avatar has brought some very deep questions to light and quite a few core discoverys have been made by scientests who after seeing the fillm looked apon our world with a new set of eyes and made new discoverys, Quantum science still comsept but we may soon learn we are a lot more connected to our primal universal core understanding then we ever realised
and dreams may play a core role in this understanding, (speaker Gregg Braden on new Quantum understanding I will note I dont aggre in eveything he speakes on)

The Language of the Divine Matrix Part 1/2 - YouTube

[apache_blanca]

Back to dreaming:
I had one about a movie which was 'based on and about Avatar'. Some Avatar fans, about 20, got excited & went to see it, it was like a mix of an Avatar sequel and a documentary with the interviews etc. Then it turned out that... it was us who filmed it! I definitely remember that Alan & HNM were there, the rest is kind of vague.

James Cameron & one super dude from his team came to watch it, too, loved it, & insisted on taking photos with us (by then our numbers dwindled to about 7).

Then there was a Q&A session, or maybe an interview with JC, but people were showing up late, talking, laughing & JC was getting grumpy that they didn't seem serious enough. I thought: "Hey he Does take it very seriously - as if we were part of his team!" I wanted to suggest him to have a look at the forums, at least as a visitor, to see if he likes any ideas, but people kept interrupting me with their questions; in the end JC asked me directly what was so important that I'd been trying to say for a while. I began to talk, but Alan started hissing at me! I was a bit perplexed - was I disclosing some state secret or something? but since I wasn't sure what alan's concern was, I wrapped my speech to: "Err... we are from the forums so you know where to find us..." Then the dream finished.

[Alan]

What a cool dream! Shame it wasn't more pleasant. I wonder if it was actually something to do with your waking life but using 'metaphors' to represent the everyday aspects? Duno.

Dreams are just so confoooosing sometimes. I wish I could understand what they mean as my subconcious does it's merry dance in my mind trying to straighten out the confusion of the day.

On the odd occasion I have been 'awake' in a dream and tried to speak to the characters in the dream, but they never reply - meh! Mind you, I think I would have the shock of my life if they did!

I actually had a dream last night that I was trying to build some lego and was struggling a bit. I found myself leaning against a fellow Avatar fan, who put their arm round me. It felt really nice...I kinda felt wanted! HA! Wonder what that was all about. Lego!....

Here's something that just popped into my head as to what it might mean: Instead of struggling to try and build a relationship, just lean on them and you will see there is no need to struggle! HAHAHAHA... XD

Ok that's enough deep thinking for now I need to take a deep breath of helium and lighten up!

Alan

[apache_blanca]

ah well my dream definitely had the Meetup theme, and your + DJ Makto's videos and JC showing up with 'a big dude...' the big dude can well represent Jon Landau, although in my dream he looked more like James Horner!

Hehehe maybe your waking dream characters don't reply cos they don't want to shock you out of your wits? well if you mentalize yourself on Not freaking out if they do reply, no matter what they say... they might even consider the replying option!

Lego in your dream... again, what comes to my mind, are the videos: you piece them together, right, AND there is an Avatar fan you can lean on! I'd say the thought that just popped into your mind makes quite a bit of sense

Eywa ngahu, & have a nice day ma oeytsip tsmukan! now night, actually, on our side of the world...