We will have no economist in the future - Tree of Souls

lumpinger96 · #1 11-05-2013, 04:47 PM

I have one question: According to Pandorapedia the Valkyrie shuttles uses Fusion drives and is about only 80 Meters Long!! YES B**** WE WILL HAVE MASTERED THERMONUCLEAR FUSION IN THE FUTURE!! and a Moon and 3 gas giants (Jupiter doesnt count to high radiation and Gravity) full of Helium 3, our energy problems are about to be solved. Poverty, Hunger and environmental destruction will be a thing of the past. the population explosion will be stopped, wars about oil,coal and gas will come to an en. The age of Energy abundance an Power for all can beginn. Its the dawn of glourios Future
Prosperity, Wealth and Civilisation are ready to spread across the stars

But no

Appearantly we will have no economists in the future. Instead of skimming isotopes from Uranus we are going to Alpha centauri for Room temperature superconductors......which are great .....i guess .....but will help us how exactly??
But uranus is just a few months a way with a fusion engine but to get to alpha centauri is orders of magnitude more difficult

so what do you think?? is the entire premise of the movie false? could it be that the entire conflict could have been simply be avoided by GOOD BUSINESSMAKING??

**Clarke** · #2 11-05-2013, 05:28 PM

You assume the free market works correctly. The prescense of the RDA suggests it doesn't.

(*gets popcorn*)

lumpinger96 · #3 11-05-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarke

You assume the free market works correctly. The prescense of the RDA suggests it doesn't.

(*gets popcorn*)

So the capitalistic mega-corp killed the free market. And we dont get Uranus Helium-3, no Age of Energy Abundance and no end of Hunger, Poverty, Wars for Energy resources.

So they essentially killed our Future

WELL DONE RDA, REALLY REALLY GOOD

lumpinger96 · #4 11-05-2013, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lumpinger96

So the capitalistic mega-corp killed the free market. And we dont get Uranus Helium-3, no Age of Energy Abundance and no end of Hunger, Poverty, Wars for Energy resources.

So they essentially killed our Future

WELL DONE RDA, REALLY REALLY GOOD

But that doesnt answer my question.

Why?? Why so stupid ? Why traveling 4.43 LIGHTYEARS to mine SUPERCONDUCTORS. Thats NOT a solution to our Energy Problems . Helium-3 is. its Fusion fuel. and you dont have to travel gazillion of kilometer to get it. its just a few dozen AU, you can travel to it in a few short month with a fusion drive. You can eve automate the process if you want. and the supply is almost unlimited, you simply cant exhaust a gas giant.

but no

they want SUPERCONDUCTORS FROM WHICH WE NEVER KNOw FOR WHAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR.

Why?? Its so easy NOT to become a Cyberpunk dystopia, WHY!?!?!?

**Clarke** · #5 11-05-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lumpinger96

But that doesnt answer my question.

Why?? Why so stupid ? Why traveling 4.43 LIGHTYEARS to mine SUPERCONDUCTORS. Thats NOT a solution to our Energy Problems . Helium-3 is. its Fusion fuel. and you dont have to travel gazillion of kilometer to get it. its just a few dozen AU, you can travel to it in a few short month with a fusion drive. You can eve automate the process if you want. and the supply is almost unlimited, you simply cant exhaust a gas giant.

but no

they want SUPERCONDUCTORS FROM WHICH WE NEVER KNOw FOR WHAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR.

Why?? Its so easy NOT to become a Cyberpunk dystopia, WHY!?!?!?

We know exactly what superconductors are good for: transporting large quantities of energy around.

The RDA have large quantities of energy to transport around - they use it to fuel the ISV. Other people do too, apparently.

Crickett · #6 11-06-2013, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lumpinger96

I have one question: According to Pandorapedia the Valkyrie shuttles uses Fusion drives and is about only 80 Meters Long!! YES B**** WE WILL HAVE MASTERED THERMONUCLEAR FUSION IN THE FUTURE!! and a Moon and 3 gas giants (Jupiter doesnt count to high radiation and Gravity) full of Helium 3, our energy problems are about to be solved. Poverty, Hunger and environmental destruction will be a thing of the past. the population explosion will be stopped, wars about oil,coal and gas will come to an en. The age of Energy abundance an Power for all can beginn. Its the dawn of glourios Future
Prosperity, Wealth and Civilisation are ready to spread across the stars

But no

Appearantly we will have no economists in the future. Instead of skimming isotopes from Uranus we are going to Alpha centauri for Room temperature superconductors......which are great .....i guess .....but will help us how exactly??
But uranus is just a few months a way with a fusion engine but to get to alpha centauri is orders of magnitude more difficult

so what do you think?? is the entire premise of the movie false? could it be that the entire conflict could have been simply be avoided by GOOD BUSINESSMAKING??

I have a few questions about your premise:

Why would abundant energy solve world hunger, poverty and most importantly, stop any kind of *population explosion*?

Wouldn't cheap abundant energy (or, in more general terms: an enormous increase in resources) feed a population explosion, not quell it?

In addition, while this might end the dependence on fossil fuels, I don't see why it would end ecological damage. It would just end (or drastically reduce) the production of Co2 into the atmosphere. That's not the world's only source of ecological damage.

**Clarke** · #7 11-06-2013, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Crickett

I have a few questions about your premise:

Why would abundant energy solve world hunger, poverty and most importantly, stop any kind of *population explosion*?

Wouldn't cheap abundant energy (or, in more general terms: an enormous increase in resources) feed a population explosion, not quell it?

In addition, while this might end the dependence on fossil fuels, I don't see why it would end ecological damage. It would just end (or drastically reduce) the production of Co2 into the atmosphere. That's not the world's only source of ecological damage.

Abundant energy mitigates the effects of a population explosion, because growing food hydroponically, etc, becomes easier, urban construction is cheaper, etc.

Crickett · #8 11-06-2013, 03:31 AM

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Abundant energy mitigates the effects of a population explosion, because growing food hydroponically, etc, becomes easier, urban construction is cheaper, etc.

I agree. But it certainly doesn't stop a population explosion. If anything, it feeds it for the very reasons you list.

Exoblade · #9 11-06-2013, 12:02 PM

oh we're got this idiot over on Avatar Forum as well

A sadistic choice over the survial of mankind - Page 5

He's pretty much won't move from his position that mankind is superior and will exterminate the na'vi with an orbital bombardment. Though he hasn't got the maths right for his rods from god.

Exoblade · #10 11-06-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarke

We know exactly what superconductors are good for: transporting large quantities of energy around.

The RDA have large quantities of energy to transport around - they use it to fuel the ISV. Other people do too, apparently.

you also have the issue of efficiency of your fusion reactors. If you only have a barely break even reactor most of the energy you produce is going to be used in sustaining the reaction. Now if you have a room temperature superconductor that cuts down the requirements to run the cooling and containment systems suddenly your low profit reactor suddenly becomes a high profit reactor producing a large amount of energy for the grid.

Simply securing the supply (and getting it home at a profit) isn't the whole battle. You have to factor in other things.

**Clarke** · #11 11-06-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoblade

you also have the issue of efficiency of your fusion reactors. If you only have a barely break even reactor most of the energy you produce is going to be used in sustaining the reaction. Now if you have a room temperature superconductor that cuts down the requirements to run the cooling and containment systems suddenly your low profit reactor suddenly becomes a high profit reactor producing a large amount of energy for the grid.

Simply securing the supply (and getting it home at a profit) isn't the whole battle. You have to factor in other things.

If your reactor breaks even, just make it bigger.