Some love for Grace!

[Moco Loco]

That idea was probably watered down a great deal before Grace's lines were finished, I at least have never made any distinction between her personality in the avatar as opposed to out of it, except for maybe the mood boost of being in an avatar in the first place. After all, wouldn't everybody here be more than happy to be in an avatar? That's all I ever thought it was.

[Exoblade]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

That idea was probably watered down a great deal before Grace's lines were finished, I at least have never made any distinction between her personality in the avatar as opposed to out of it, except for maybe the mood boost of being in an avatar in the first place. After all, wouldn't everybody here be more than happy to be in an avatar? That's all I ever thought it was.

Agreeded, it would have been confusing for people who weren't following the film and would ask, wait why is the cold women so friendly now?

Though the idea of grace having radically different personalities in and out of her avatar is interesting. I sense fan fic time!

[Moco Loco]

Even if you were following the film, it's so focused on Jake for two and a half hours that there isn't really time for anyone else.

[avtrfan]

@moco loco: ?! you never noticed the differences in personality between human-grace & avatar-grace? the contrast was really striking, considering the almost acrimonious/hostile dialogue between grace and jake before he goes into the link for the first time and the big smile she has when they initially meet in avatar form.

funny to think that an almost three hour film doesn't have time to cover other characters just a bit more, don't you think?

@exoblade: *that*, i did notice when i saw the film for the first time and i did indeed briefly ask myself "why is she friendly, now?". but then, the rest of the story happened...


and btw, shouldn't link time wean grace off cigarettes?

[Exoblade]

Agreed, the main problem is that after that scene (which is a pretty good one) she just reaches a point between the 2 and never really changes.

[Moco Loco]

And that's why I only thought it was because everybody loves being in avatars. Other aspects of her personality are still decently developed though, especially by the extra scene where she's explaining what happened at the school.

[avtrfan]

i don't know about (badly quoting you) "everybody loving to be in avatars"; i think there is something else happening here.

we don't know much about what happened/happens to the science team before & after jake came to pandora. the film is so focused on jake that the other avatar drivers' interactions with the na'vi or even the pandoran ecosystem itself are somewhat of a mystery. we barely see other avatars training inside the hell's gate compound; the same with grace & norm on that fateful science sortie when jake ended up running for his life.

the best hypothesis i can come up with is that the avatar drivers' time on pandora, especially the sort of interaction with their environment possible for them might have an cumulative impact, that either brings out positives aspects of their personalities (? right word, here?) or changes them for the better. the fact that the science team is not there to rape & pillage pandora for its resources might be a definite factor in how its members are affected by their stay on a relatively untouched and still (somewhat) pristine world, coming from one where nature has been effectively wiped out.

maybe this is why avatar-grace is so maternal towards the na'vi, why she is friendlier than human-grace towards jake.

maybe this is also why the science team ends up siding with the na'vi -- even though the scenes where they attack & take over hell's gate's control centre were cut, they are shown garding/escorting the humans off pandora in the final cuts of film. so i think we can assume they did indeed take arms against the r.d.a., even if it wasn't shown.