Existence of God

[Omatikaya Tsamsiyu]

But they are psychotic, they don't give a ****, they kill becouse their piece of metal 'told' them to do it, and they do it. Can't the U.S. bomb out Mekka and finnish this war that doesn't make any sense. If they would, maybe after bombing out the statue of their 'god' they will realize that it wasn't a god and will stop. Sorry if this post is agressive, but i just don't see any other way of solveing this problem. We treid everything to get to them and make them stop without spilling blood, but as we can see, iy soesn't work.

[iron_jones]

Originally Posted by Omatikaya Tsamsiyu

But they are psychotic, they don't give a ****, they kill becouse their piece of metal 'told' them to do it, and they do it. Can't the U.S. bomb out Mekka and finnish this war that doesn't make any sense. If they would, maybe after bombing out the statue of their 'god' they will realize that it wasn't a god and will stop. Sorry if this post is agressive, but i just don't see any other way of solveing this problem. We treid everything to get to them and make them stop without spilling blood, but as we can see, iy soesn't work.

They're so psychotic and violent. Let's kill them all and turn their countries into glass.

[Moco Loco]

Originally Posted by R-D-A

In my opinion one should hold a religious belief based on what the religion itself can offer. There are religions for example that hold nature very sacred. Such as the Ancient Greek religion for example (with which, being Greek myself, I have a certain familiarity ). What it should come down to is that a religion must be chosen by an individual for that individual. What agrees with you the most, which religion you think has the most to offer to you and with which religion you think you can reach spiritual completion. Because in the end, religion is about the soul.

It seems like you're talking about religions as social clubs. That itself doesn't really say anything about belief in a god, lots of agnostics and atheists like the community of the religion they were raised in and choose not to leave it. I guess that would also be the most appealing aspect of religion to me, though I am generally against it.

[R-D-A]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

It seems like you're talking about religions as social clubs. That itself doesn't really say anything about belief in a god, lots of agnostics and atheists like the community of the religion they were raised in and choose not to leave it. I guess that would also be the most appealing aspect of religion to me, though I am generally against it.

It is not too difficult for me to imagine most religions are social clubs. In a way that is what they are. Groups of people who share a common view on spirituality.

It is natural to feel kinship towards your own group, whether you have chosen to distance yourself from it or not. For example, atheists who were once Christian some times hate Christianity but that does not usually happen to Atheists or Agnostics or Apostates (because that needs to be considered - apostacy and conversion to another faith) from an extremely Christian background. Such as myself for example. I am no longer a Christian but coming from a country where Orthodox Christianity is the dominant faith for about 95% of the population and has for better or for worse saturated Greek society to its very core, I find it difficult to dislike or attack it. Sure, I disagree with it, with the practices of the Church and with the dogma itself, but I believe you understand what I mean.

[Moco Loco]

I do, I spent a lot of time around fundamental/evangelical christians growing up so even though I'm basically atheist now, it's easy for me to understand how they think and what they might say, very easy to assume their perspective, and I've found this useful in debates and other rare interactions. They seem very hard to understand for almost all atheists I've known or talked to so I consider it an asset even though I don't have any interest in the community itself.

[Ja'k Dawsiin]

the existence of a divine entity/creator/higher power is not proven by man-made theological systems of belief/control nor it is proven in anything existing outside the confines of Mother Nature and her children of the Animal Kingdom. i can look into the vast starfields of the cosmos and wonder if there is some grand design behind it all, but that still has no bearing on whether such a creature exists.

why do we think that some divine being is in any way, shape, of form, even remotely similar to us in look, shape, dimension, context of earth-bound elements, etc...why, because some book of translated stories says so? please...that book has been translated countless times over our history, and everyone adds their bias and belief-system idiosyncrasies to this convoluted mess of a theological history volume. the existence of a 'god' cannot be fathomed in human thought by anything in the man-made realm.

is there a god, or maybe gods? i have no friggin' idea...the very thought of some celestial being or beings playing chess on a universal-scale, and everything we are doesn''t even equate to a minute percentage of one of the pawns on the board, gives me a crushing headache and causes my agnostic self to tip a bottle of Crown Royal Black Label into a tall glass of Coca-Cola and crushed ice. arghhhhh!

[Disco Scratch]

Does the God of the Bible exist? No...

Do I believe a supreme being is controlling every aspect of human life? No...

Could a natural process lay a path leading to a universal consciousness? Perhaps...

First you must be able to define consciousness and how it works. This is beyond our current level of understanding, but I have some theories of my own that explain how God is not the creator, but rather a result of natural processes. Much in the same way a river naturally carves out the landscape I believe God is a byproduct. A freak event of chance. Possibly the first form of life in this universe resulting from the energy created during the creation of the universe.

We don't know what types of life exist out there, but if you believe life can spontaneously occur from a combination of nonliving matter then why couldn't life spontaneously come into existence from dark matter, dark energy, or massive amounts of electrical energy?

Our thoughts are nothing more than electrical impulses. Our emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions. Our conceioucness? I do not believe it exists within the physical body. I believe it is an external force resulting from electromagnetic energy. I believe we control our bodies remotely. Very similar to how they control their avatars in AVATAR. This explains out of body experiences and the possibility of life after the death of your biological body. There's more to it, but I'll stop here. These subjects tend to get me into trouble.

Facts about me: I'm not religious and have never followed any religion. I've never been to a church and my parents never spoke of God. In my family we allow one another to believe whatever they want to believe via their own conclusions. We have creationists, atheists, agnostics, reincarnationists, Democrats, and Republicans. Some even believe in life after death, but do not believe in God. So I come from a very diverse background. I'm very open to the ideas of others although I do stick with what I believe and my belief in God tends to be more scientific especially in the explanations I seek.

[allroock123]

There is a poem from Rumi that reflects on the core conflict "structure" many monotheistic faiths (belief in one god) religious viewpoints , easily cause "dualism" I follow "xyz" and they do not, this creates an "us and them" cultural separation seed "in some cases" if you follow "xyz"--- I will not see you. as an example.

In Rumi's poem he says:
The "lamps" are different but the "light" is the same .

In honesty I really like the non-dualism core structure of holding a "spiritual perception of reality" over a religious one many North American native peoples hold a true "spiritual perspective of reality"
there is a unnamed creator "the great mystery" there is both a Father and a "mother" , there is no book , and no "god" to impact judgment and fear. (native peoples in other parts of the world "see" gods fear them and offer tribute to them. native north American peoples (with a few exceptions) do not do that. they give "thanks" to the gifts given to them by "the great mystery" and they do not have a fear dominated control structure embedded in there belief "ethos" Though I do not like "religion" I do admit I have seen a lot of evolution upon religious perspectives that offer some positive growth "But" its the fear control structures and ease of influencing ones perspective through the twisting of scripture to ones own agenda that deeply concern me if this system "structure" is so easily abused.

A artistic example of a spiritual perceptive of reality "These Memory's by Native American John Trudel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqVU406tJc

[Smirnoff]

Originally Posted by Omatikaya Tsamsiyu

Russia is nuking Ukraine all the tame

First of all Russia is not nuking Ukraine. If Russia was nuking Ukraine,Ukraine would turn into a desert.Nuke is a nuclear bomb..
For second,there is some autonomous regions in Ukraine (Donbass,DNR,Donetsk People`s republic) .These regions want to join Russia.Ukraine bombs these regions because Ukraine dont want to loose soil. And so they bomb Ukraine.. Thats why there is a war there.These people wont understand that they murder lots of innocent women,and children for their political reasons.From both sides.

Originally Posted by Omatikaya Tsamsiyu

But they are psychotic, they don't give a ****, they kill becouse their piece of metal 'told' them to do it, and they do it. Can't the U.S. bomb out Mekka and finnish this war that doesn't make any sense. If they would, maybe after bombing out the statue of their 'god' they will realize that it wasn't a god and will stop. Sorry if this post is agressive, but i just don't see any other way of solveing this problem. We treid everything to get to them and make them stop without spilling blood, but as we can see, iy soesn't work.

Do you really think that ''bombing" something is that easy huh? There are innocent people there.Plus,all muslims are not the same,and Im saying that as an Ortodox living around muslims.Everybody has his own religion and opinion,and we should respect that.This is not true islam which ISIS or some other terrorist groups believing.Trust me..