The Mission...

[rapunzel77]

I respect your opinion. I differ in it. Probably due to the fact I am Catholic. I was wondering if you hate the actual Catholic teachings or what you perceive to be Catholic teachings? Doing penance for sin is a teaching that is greatly misunderstood. We believe that you are absolved of them when you confess them with true contrition but that there are still consequences due to the sin..aka..penance. That is what Mendoza was doing. He was already absolved in that he had confessed the sin but there is still a price to pay. This is one of the points where we differ as Catholics and protestants.

The nudity I don't honestly have a problem with. If you have seen any National Geographic specials on various African, South American, etc tribes you will see nudity even if they are children. That was the context in which it was shown and certainly not meant to be "sexual" in any way. I guess I can see if someone might have a problem with that though.

As for as the Jesuits. They have had a good and a bad history. The Jesuits depicted in the movie were good. However, at the time there were others that were doing stuff that was wrong. I don't know if you know this but about 20 years after the events in the Mission, the Jesuit order was disbanded. Later on it was reinstated but it was never the same afterward. Today, there are very few good Jesuits left.

Anyway, I respect your opinion. My mother has probably the same view of the Catholic Church and her teachings. I wonder if you have ever read what our teachings are, from the Catechism, etc. It might help at least to dispel some misconceptions.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

I respect your opinion. I differ in it. Probably due to the fact I am Catholic.

Lol, you think?

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

I was wondering if you hate the actual Catholic teachings or what you perceive to be Catholic teachings?

It's the actual teachings. And no, I haven't read people like Boettner or Chick to get any information (good God no). I read through the Catechism at least twice, as well as other teachings in other various sources (pro-Catholic). I just hate how the church asserts that its way is the only way or else you'll burn. I'm not talking about ancient history, I mean quotes like,

"It is not possible to worship God truly except in Her; all who are outside Her will not be saved."

(Gregory XVI referring to Mary)

Not very recent, I understand, but not much has changed with John Paul II or any books out these days. I've debated so harshly about this before and I really just don't want to get into it again. I understand your beliefs, I think you're wrong, but I don't care. You're still my sister in Christ; that's enough for me.

It's just... this one bout with a guy and a gal who both believed that Mary wasn't a factor in prayer that was essential to the Catholic doctrine. Then I showed them a whole bunch of quotes from the Catechism and other major saints and teachers who said otherwise... let's just say it was an ugly exchange.

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

Doing penance for sin is a teaching that is greatly misunderstood. We believe that you are absolved of them when you confess them with true contrition but that there are still consequences due to the sin..aka..penance. That is what Mendoza was doing. He was already absolved in that he had confessed the sin but there is still a price to pay. This is one of the points where we differ as Catholics and protestants.

See, here's the thing: the Bible doesn't say this. There is no work or deed you can do in death or life that can pay the price of sin. That's Christ's job.

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

The nudity I don't honestly have a problem with. If you have seen any National Geographic specials on various African, South American, etc tribes you will see nudity even if they are children. That was the context in which it was shown and certainly not meant to be "sexual" in any way. I guess I can see if someone might have a problem with that though.

Yes I understand all about the innocence of it all. I know all about NatGeo and even the Discovery Channel (late at night) showed nudity, and that was on cable! But it's child nudity. I just thought it unnecessary.

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

As for as the Jesuits. They have had a good and a bad history. The Jesuits depicted in the movie were good. However, at the time there were others that were doing stuff that was wrong. I don't know if you know this but about 20 years after the events in the Mission, the Jesuit order was disbanded. Later on it was reinstated but it was never the same afterward. Today, there are very few good Jesuits left.

Well... ok then. No comment.


I've had my discussions with Catholics, and frankly I'm done. I just don't want to go through it again. I'm rather for discussion about C. S. Lewis and... stuff. For instance, I wrote an essay about how I don't think his "Christianity" is really Biblical, and how he thought Buddhists could go to heaven.

[rapunzel77]

Woodsprite, I think this discussion has gone very far off topic, lol . I would like to speak about the rest of my thoughts concerning your latest post in a PM. Then we will be done with the Catholic vs. Prot. discussion.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by rapunzel77

Woodsprite, I think this discussion has gone very far off topic, lol . I would like to speak about the rest of my thoughts concerning your latest post in a PM. Then we will be done with the Catholic vs. Prot. discussion.

Lol, yes, I'm reeaaaally uncomfortable discussing it all, anyways. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie.