If Earth Is As Dead As Jake Claimed; Then How Can Humans Even Still Exist? - Tree of Souls

PunkMaister · #1 05-15-2010, 05:16 AM

OK let's try this again in a civil manner. A lot of people here do take Jake's words to heart and if that is the case in the movie as well then humanity would have become extinct or be well it's way to becoming extinct if it indeed lives in a lifeless rock totally incapable of supporting life of any kind anymore save through artificial means no different than living on an asteroid or any other dead celestial object.

Spock · #2 05-15-2010, 05:20 AM

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OK let's try this again in a civil manner. A lot of people here do take Jake's words to heart and if that is the case in the movie as well then humanity would have become extinct or be well it's way to becoming extinct if it indeed lives in a lifeless rock totally incapable of supporting life of any kind anymore save through artificial means no different than living on an asteroid or any other dead celestial object.

I think he was refering to how it was devoid of a natural eco-system.

**Isard** · #3 05-15-2010, 05:22 AM

Very well, civil discussion.

May I request a few statements from the movie to support your claim good sir?

Leonopteryx · #4 05-15-2010, 05:27 AM

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OK let's try this again in a civil manner. A lot of people here do take Jake's words to heart and if that is the case in the movie as well then humanity would have become extinct or be well it's way to becoming extinct if it indeed lives in a lifeless rock totally incapable of supporting life of any kind anymore save through artificial means no different than living on an asteroid or any other dead celestial object.

Humans still exist through perseverance, we are VERY hard to kill, everything else is dead, but we make adaptions to keep us alive, THAT is how we are still alive on a 99% dead earth.

Spock · #5 05-15-2010, 05:33 AM

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Humans still exist through perseverance, we are VERY hard to kill, everything else is dead, but we make adaptions to keep us alive, THAT is how we are still alive on a 99% dead earth.

Must be right. Looks like the cockroaches coped it too. That's saying something.

PunkMaister · #6 05-15-2010, 05:35 AM

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I think he was refering to how it was devoid of a natural eco-system.

It amounts to the same thing. If we are to take his words to heart then Earth is a lifeless barren world totally devoid of life other than humans an algae both artificially sustained no different than living on any dead celestial body.

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Very well, civil discussion.

May I request a few statements from the movie to support your claim good sir?

what claim? I am asking again given what Jake said as to how humans could still exist and not become extinct without a life sustaining world anymore.

Leonopteryx · #7 05-15-2010, 05:37 AM

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It amounts to the same thing. If we are to take his words to heart then Earth is a lifeless barren world totally devoid of life other than humans an algae both artificially sustained no different than living on any dead celestial body.

you have appeared to have answered your own question right here...

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what claim? I am asking again given what Jake said as to how humans could still exist and not become extinct without a life sustaining world anymore.

Quotes. he wants Quotes.

**Isard** · #8 05-15-2010, 05:38 AM

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It amounts to the same thing. If we are to take his words to heart then Earth is a lifeless barren world totally devoid of life other than humans an algae both artificially sustained no different than living on any dead celestial body.

what claim? I am asking again given what Jake said as to how humans could still exist and not become extinct without a life sustaining world anymore.

I was addressing Punkmeister spock.

Sorry for the confusion.

**Isard** · #9 05-15-2010, 05:38 AM

Please state where Jake said that. Exactly.

Spock · #10 05-15-2010, 05:38 AM

It doesn't matter if the earth is barren then. It is apparent that we still exist through technology. That's what matters.

PunkMaister · #11 05-15-2010, 05:43 AM

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Humans still exist through perseverance, we are VERY hard to kill, everything else is dead, but we make adaptions to keep us alive, THAT is how we are still alive on a 99% dead earth.

Well actually no, again this is taking Jake's words to heart and ignoring everything else such as the cloning of Earth plants and animals that appear both in the script and the survival guide.

To me there is no way we could survive on a 99% dead Earth so it cannot possibly be like that and again once we get past Jake's words and look objectively at the script, the guide etc, then the picture is still grim but not as grim as Jake's words exemplified.

A planet like that would not even have oxygen of it's own anymore. Living on Earth would be no different than living on an airless planetoid on the Asteroid belt, in fact living in that asteroid would be far healthier...

**Isard** · #12 05-15-2010, 05:46 AM

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It doesn't matter if the earth is barren then. It is apparent that we still exist through technology. That's what matters.

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Leonopteryx · #13 05-15-2010, 05:51 AM

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Well actually no, again this is taking Jake's words to heart and ignoring everything else such as the cloning of Earth plants and animals that appear both in the script and the survival guide.

if we ignore the cloning of plants this argument is moot, because the plants are vital for the survival, we ignore that, the entire argument here is pointless, because you are leaving out so many facts, that it might as well be alternate universe.

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To me there is no way we could survive on a 99% dead Earth so it cannot possibly be like that and again once we get past Jake's words and look objectively at the script, the guide etc, then the picture is still grim but not as grim as Jake's words exemplified.

you just exemplified you excellent knowledge of the environment here: GRAVITY keeps the atmosphere in place, with artificial machines scrubbing the CO2 from the air, plants aren't necessarily needed, but as the film says algae still exists, which does a phenomenal job at scrubbing CO2 from the air, so the atmosphere is kept in place with artificial machines, GRAVITY, and the photosynthesis of the algae plants

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A planet like that would not even have oxygen of it's own anymore. Living on Earth would be no different than living on an airless planetoid on the Asteroid belt, in fact living in that asteroid would be far healthier...

see above blurb.

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It doesn't matter if the earth is barren then. It is apparent that we still exist through technology. That's what matters.

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PunkMaister · #14 05-15-2010, 05:52 AM

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It doesn't matter if the earth is barren then. It is apparent that we still exist through technology. That's what matters.

But it does, No artificial food or habitat has been able to keep anybody living long and healthy for a long time.

Leonopteryx · #15 05-15-2010, 05:54 AM

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But it does, No artificial food or habitat has been able to keep anybody living long and healthy for a long time.

this is ALSO in the future, and technology, apparently, has fixed that issue.