The Problem

[ZenitYerkes]

When we rant about how things are literally going sh*t, or feel things are not right; it's not because our surroundings -rivers, trees, animals,...- are doing any bad to us, it's us who create our own trouble. The cars, the factories, the mortgage, the taxes, money,...

Because we have this, and turn it into this. Or kick someone's ass for having some of it. Or kill for ruling over a piece of land.

The planet is perfect. It's us what is horrible.

[Spock]

Oh the humanity.

[Helicoradian]

We are destroying ourselves, all the earth needs to do is wait it out. Eventually the problem solves itself.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Helicoradian

We are destroying ourselves, all the earth needs to do is wait it out. Eventually the problem solves itself.

There is another debate altogether. The way I see it is we have three possibilities for the future.

1: Star Trek - Humanity

2: Avatar - Humanity

3 We wipe ourselves out. Or some other natural event destroys us.

[Helicoradian]

Originally Posted by Spock

There is another debate altogether. The way I see it is we have three possibilities for the future.

1: Star Trek - Humanity

2: Avatar - Humanity

3 We wipe ourselves out. Or some other natural event destroys us.

Well, #3 is the most logical I suppose

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Helicoradian

Well, #3 is the most logical I suppose

Perhaps, only leaps and bounds in technological advancement could save us from that. One such as the first artificially engineered cell.

[Helicoradian]

Perhaps we don't need technological advancement, but instead to stop, see what we are doing, and try and to value what we have. What would we do with an artificially engineered cell? use it to help us live longer? for the past couple of hundred years we (as in humanity) have been nothing but a cancer on the face of this earth. We take what we want without care, for the sake of this planet, do we really need to live longer? maybe "seeing" is the next step. A leap in intellectual advancement....

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Helicoradian

Perhaps we don't need technological advancement, but instead to stop, see what we are doing, and try and to value what we have. What would we do with an artificially engineered cell? use it to help us live longer? for the past couple of hundred years we (as in humanity) have been nothing but a cancer on the face of this earth. We take what we want without care, for the sake of this planet, do we really need to live longer? maybe "seeing" is the next step. A leap in intellectual advancement....

We don't need it, but me and Zenit are answering some of these questions over in this thread:

http://www.tree-of-souls.com/debate/...ing_god-3.html

[Taw Makto]

You can spend years writhing in agony over how horrid humanity is, or become a constructive, optimistic and energetic part of correcting the problems. It's been well said time and again: If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Talking about the problem doesn't solve it.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Taw Makto

You can spend years writhing in agony over how horrid humanity is, or become a constructive, optimistic and energetic part of correcting the problems. It's been well said time and again: If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Talking about the problem doesn't solve it.

I'll have to stop being a cynic then.

[Helicoradian]

Originally Posted by Taw Makto

You can spend years writhing in agony over how horrid humanity is, or become a constructive, optimistic and energetic part of correcting the problems. It's been well said time and again: If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Talking about the problem doesn't solve it.

Realizing you're part of the problem, is the first step of being part of the solution

[ZenitYerkes]

Originally Posted by Taw Makto

You can spend years writhing in agony over how horrid humanity is, or become a constructive, optimistic and energetic part of correcting the problems. It's been well said time and again: If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Talking about the problem doesn't solve it.

Admitting we've got a problem is the beginning of the solution.

However, it's just the beginning. If you're going to cling on to that, you're not solving anything, and thus becoming part of the problem.

[Taw Makto]

Don't mistake accurate analysis for cynicism, Spock. Two different things. The "You" didn't necessarily mean you, dude, by the way. That said, cynicism is the acceptance of the negative outcome as default. Never a good thing if one ever hopes to overcome obstacles. Rampant optimism is just as bad. As in all things, a carefully contemplated balance is best.

Helicoradian, ZenitYerkes....right on target. We concur.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Taw Makto

Don't mistake accurate analysis for cynicism, Spock. Two different things. The "You" didn't necessarily mean you, dude, by the way. That said, cynicism is the acceptance of the negative outcome as default. Never a good thing if one ever hopes to overcome obstacles. Rampant optimism is just as bad. As in all things, a carefully contemplated balance is best.

Helicoradian, ZenitYerkes....right on target. We concur.

No no, I knew what I was saying. I am often cynical. Although in mind only. My practical actions are often logically driven. So I suppose it's irrelevant.

[Fkeu'itan]

Originally Posted by Spock

Perhaps, only leaps and bounds in technological advancement could save us from that. One such as the first artificially engineered cell.

Or perhaps it is this, even, that will lead to our downfall.