The Problem With The Custom Title For Donation.

[Nektukan]

@Xynth:

Like common sense?
You compared donating to charity or donating blood to a forum donation, which is just wrong because the one has nothing to do with the other.
Sure most people donate because they feel like they need to support the forum but there will always be those who will donate for different reasons and there are many of these people on AF, especially with it being popular and all. Popularity brings out all kinds of weirdos and its sad that I have to explain this here.

@to the rest who posted:
Custom title comes with the package, if you donated, you get to choose one. That said its ****ed up to see that you pass out free titles to friends and IRC buddies because they simply asked for it.It ruins the whole idea of donation for certain people.God If i'm gonna have to say this 1 more time to a guy who is too busy to read the whole thread before trying to write a half intelligent post I'm just going to explode!

This will be my last post cause in all my experience I can see where this is going, a lot of people that can't be asked reading the whole thread posting and flaming about stuff that has been explained 3 times already.

Just one last thing to say, if you decide to pass out whatever crap to IRC buddies then you will soon realize that nobody is going to donate, except for those 3 kids who's parents are too stupid to realize that they are using their credit card without em knowing.
Ever heard about business tactics? Because running a forum is a business. You will soon find out when you will have to bring up adds. Bring some common sense here please.

@ HumanNoMore: Please read the whole thread before posting, its really not cool for a head admin to be so ignorant. Oh and about the people who have donated SIGNIFICANTLY to ToS, your making me laugh man, it took maybe a whole 3 people to set up this place, 1 to get the hosting site, 1 to make the background image and 1 to buy the vbullet crap. 3-8=0 right? Oh yeah nvm, didn't know that you count in the people who were there when the site got up because your friends with them.
Anyway I'm sure there will be a juicy respond. Don't bother I'm not going to post in this thread again.

@All: This thread quickly turned into something its not. Its a feedback, not a flame thread. I expressed my feelings about it and that's it. If the admins are too stupid to realize that if you want to succeed in running a forum, you have to resort to different business tactics, not just waiting around and hopping that everyone will donate because they love sucking your ass or because everyone on this planet is so dam friendly to give up 30$ a month so that you can play more God every day.

/end rant.

[Vauktu]

Originally Posted by Nektukan

Custom title comes with the package, if you donated, you get to choose one. That said its ****ed up to see that you pass out free titles to friends and IRC buddies because they simply asked for it.

Who are you to say those friend's/moderators haven't helped with other things in the past? CMQ has a history with AF, as well as HNM. Eltu, Thor, and zongtseng have known each other for a long time. They aren't simply members who came along, joined the forum, and asked to be moderators. They have contributed to other things in different ways, whether it be on this forum or some other one.

[zongtseng]

This is not a business. Period. And it never will be. The rest of that last rant is so unbelievably over the top and misinformed I'm not even going to touch it.

Oh, and yes, I read the whole thread.

[Nektukan]

Originally Posted by zongtseng

This is not a business. Period. And it never will be. The rest of that last rant is so unbelievably over the top and misinformed I'm not even going to touch it.

Oh, and yes, I read the whole thread.

Oh, I knew I wouldn't post again but I can't stop from posting when it comes to idiotic replies,
ITS NOT A BUSINESS?
Offering stuff for donation is a business
Paying vbulletin rights is business
Soon to have annoying adds on the forum is a business

I'm sorry but if your running this forum and treating it as not a business then good luck! I give it a month or two before this forums collides under the financial pressure, lets see how far you can run on good kiddo relations.
Not a business... statement of the week.

And yes I know, the rest of my post makes perfect sense, you just can't figure out a way to flame me more without realizing whats really going on so you decide to look the other way. Good admin attitude.

Oh and thanks for reading the whole thread.

[zongtseng]

1. Nothing was "offered" for donation. I clearly stated no one should donate because of the "perks". Read the announcement again.

2. Buying Vbulletin is a purchase I made three years ago, so no again.

3. We will never have ads. Period. We will shut down the site first.

4. I've run forums for 9 years without them ever being a business or making one cent of profit on them.

You don't know me, yet you make unbelievable leaps of assumption. I have no desire to fight with you or carry this further. Enjoy your day or night, whatever it may be where you are.

[PaTRioT]

Originally Posted by Nektukan

This thread quickly turned into something its not. Its a feedback, not a flame thread.

Not trying to be arguementive, but even in your starting post of this thread you are throwing insults around etc.

To me it just sounds like you're annoyed you don't have a custom title and you're trying to burn anyone that did get one. just chill out man. if it means that much, Donate!

[Fosus]

I honestly see no problem here at all. If people donate just because they want a custom title that's all ok. In fact, many if not all people want to be special in someway, many have custom avatar and sig, which btw makes it a lot easier to immediately identify the poster.

Originally Posted by Nektukan

I can honestly tell you that more then 60% on AF members donated the money simply because they like being special, meaning having something more then the other guy.

I don't know whether this information is correct, but I see no problem here, and i think those people do deserve to have the custom title. It may mean I respect their will to help the forums, but unless they post good posts they will not become special in any other way.

Like i said, people want to be special, and money doesn't matter so let them be.

[Nektukan]

Originally Posted by zongtseng

1. Nothing was "offered" for donation.

You mean that idea when you say: " donate please but you won't get anything in return just a colored name and a custom title".
Yes, the master plan in this riddle is amazing!

Originally Posted by zongtseng

2. Buying Vbulletin is a purchase I made three years ago, so no again.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.2 was released last year. Dam those numbers sure are confusing aren't they. And its still a business.

Originally Posted by zongtseng

3. We will never have ads. Period. We will shut down the site first.

Really? I remember an admin saying the opposite in this same thread before, Oh my bad, its just one of the guys with custom title, silly me!

Originally Posted by zongtseng

4. I've run forums for 9 years without them ever being a business or making one cent of profit on them.

I'm glad to see that you have the dedication and financial support behind you to keep that record, assuming 9 is the right number, you seem to be confusing them a lot.

Originally Posted by zongtseng

You don't know me, yet you make unbelievable leaps of assumption. I have no desire to fight with you or carry this further. Enjoy your day or night, whatever it may be where you are.

Have a nice day.

[zongtseng]

Actually, I meant where I said "you should only be donating if you feel it's something you'd like to do and you'd like to help support this community."

3.8.2 was released last year, yes. They are called updates, which required only a minimal yearly payment until VB4 came out. The original owned license was purchased in late 2006. Is this an IRS audit? Would you like a copy of the license?

Why are you so aggressive? The only person flaming here is you.

[Nektukan]

Originally Posted by PaTRioT

Not trying to be arguementive, but even in your starting post of this thread you are throwing insults around etc.

To me it just sounds like you're annoyed you don't have a custom title and you're trying to burn anyone that did get one. just chill out man. if it means that much, Donate!

I think the whole idea of having comments under your name is retarded.
Only Admins used to have it back in the day but now its become epidemic.

If you haven't managed to read the thread I ranted out because I actually care and the whole problem here is that some people get special treatment just because they have the luxury of hanging on IRC whole day.
Its like AF all over again. Layers of social groups are already being created.

[Nektukan]

Originally Posted by zongtseng

Actually, I meant where I said "you should only be donating if you feel it's something you'd like to do and you'd like to help support this community."

3.8.2 was released last year, yes. They are called updates, which required only a minimal yearly payment until VB4 came out. The original owned license was purchased in late 2006. Is this an IRS audit? Would you like a copy of the license?

Why are you so aggressive? The only person flaming here is you.

even a small minimal payment is still a business, your just kicking in the dark.
Yes I admit to flame around, but that's what one has to do when you got 10 different people bashing your every post in without reading anything at start.

If you don't mind I would like to end this discussion because its gotten out of hand anyways.
As I already said 5 times This is a FEEDBACK, I stated my feelings about the donation and that's it. Now if you would be so kind to lock the thread because I'm getting tired of all the none sense already. Thanks

[Human No More]

Thread locked as per OP's request. This is not a business and never will be. We started this forum because we needed somewhere, and AF no longer felt like home to many of us. We are not doing this for any profit, indeed, these forums have already cost many of us a significant amount of money, which we are happy to pay to run them. In my case, I NEEDED to do this simply because for quite a long time, AF was the only thing that kept any kind of meaning in my life, and became unusable in the end for me.


If you think that the main point of donation is purchasing benefits on the forums, you are in the wrong place.