Caprica, Gamer, & Surrogates: Overlooked Benefits Of Virtual Worlds.

[Sight Unseen]

Wouldn't it be awesome... a ToS meetup on Pandora as Na'vi without ever leaving home... DO WANT

[auroraglacialis]

Originally Posted by Human No More

meh, transhumanism is voluntary, part of most philosophies is that some people who don't want to change will exist, and they have to be respected.

Such a philosophy is nice, but it is rather utopian. If technology or biotech is available to "enhance" people, it will in the long run become a requirement just as any other technology. Seriously - if you live now in a flat in the city without a car, do not know anything on computers, do not watch TV and have no clue on how to operate electronic devices - do you think you could participate in society, have a job or even survive?
Try living without a cellphone - people do not even call landlines anymore and there are ever fewer public telephones around.

Same goes with all coming technology - if you can have genetic enhancements, neuroimplants or whatever nightmare people will come up with, soon it will be a job requirement to have them, you cannot talk to people anymore without them and so forth. Going a bit SciFi now, but you may need neurointerfaces to operate computers or cars or you use them to communicate instead of phones.

Sure, you can take yourself out of it, but this also means dropping out of society. If that is what it takes, I will do so, but I do not think many will do the same - mostly out of fear. People will go with it because society demands it from them, not because they like it.

Few things are voluntary in our society and economy!

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

Wouldn't it be awesome... a ToS meetup on Pandora as Na'vi without ever leaving home... DO WANT

Yeah - it would be a nice fantasy spectacle and interesting experience. But not much more. Real live meetups would be more interesting than a fancy MMORPG (is that the right acronym?)

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

Such a philosophy is nice, but it is rather utopian. If technology or biotech is available to "enhance" people, it will in the long run become a requirement just as any other technology. Seriously - if you live now in a flat in the city without a car, do not know anything on computers, do not watch TV and have no clue on how to operate electronic devices - do you think you could participate in society, have a job or even survive?
Try living without a cellphone - people do not even call landlines anymore and there are ever fewer public telephones around.

There are people who do by choice. Yes, their options are limited, but the limitations are all things that didn't exist before those were developed, they never lost any opportunities they would have otherwise had.

Same goes with all coming technology - if you can have genetic enhancements, neuroimplants or whatever nightmare people will come up with, soon it will be a job requirement to have them, you cannot talk to people anymore without them and so forth. Going a bit SciFi now, but you may need neurointerfaces to operate computers or cars or you use them to communicate instead of phones.

There will always be a place for existing technologies in those applications, because not everyone will be willing to go the same way, or as far. If some people aren't interested in improving themselves, then the majority of philosophies recognise that and their rights must be respected too.

[auroraglacialis]

Originally Posted by Human No More

[No Cellphones etc]There are people who do by choice. Yes, their options are limited, but the limitations are all things that didn't exist before those were developed, they never lost any opportunities they would have otherwise had.

That is not really true. Lets see - I am not using a cellphone 95% of the time. So what problems compared to lets say 15 years ago do I have? People will not call me at home/work, they will try on the cellphone and if it is off they will think I do not want to talk to them. If I want to meet with some people in the city, there will not be a precise place and time laid out to meet, as everyone assumes one can call the cellphone at that point. And finally if I want to call someone while in the city, I have a hard time finding a public phone, let alone one that works with coins instead of a magnetic card.
As a result, people get downright angry at me for not having a cellphone working at all times. Sure, I can do without, but the fact that everyone else relies on that technology has the consequence that this kind of behaviour is not understood, seen as unpolite or complicated. So indeed, I may miss some opportunities by that.

Another one is buying cigarettes - I do not smoke, but I have noticed, that you need a bank account and a magnetic card now to buy cigarettes from a vending machine.

And I don't even want to go into jobs - if you do not keep up with technology, many jobs are closed to you and the ones that do not require this technology are fading away and/or are getting paid less and less. So there is definitely a pressure to follow new technologies. And this will also be true for neuroimplants and other "human enhancements".

There will always be a place for existing technologies in those applications, because not everyone will be willing to go the same way, or as far. If some people aren't interested in improving themselves, then the majority of philosophies recognise that and their rights must be respected too.

Very limited so. Sure, people may be accepted, as long as they can manage to do with a world that regards them as exotic, backwards, unwilling to participate in society. As a result, the place will be on the fringes of society - always eyed with suspicion. At least our "western" society does that. There are people here living basically as nomads like the sinti and roma in the past. Or they live in trailers, moving every couple of months or aears. These are bascially "hippies", forming nice social bonds and do away without much of the current technology. So maybe some have cellphones, there may also be a laptop around but its all rather limited. So what is the situation? They have a hard time getting any jobs (without a "proper" adress or maybe a bank account), they get harassed by the police (for parking violations or on suspicion of drug use) and nobody wants to give them a place to put their home. Ok, that is exaggerating it a bit, but the fact is, that such problems occur more frequently than if you do the conformity thing and go with all the "improvements" that come along.

What I'm saying is, that it is surely possible, but it is not encouraged and it can actually be quite hard to skip technological "advances"... it is not really a neutral thing that people can adopt voluntarily or not.

[Elyannia]

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

Wouldn't it be awesome... a ToS meetup on Pandora as Na'vi without ever leaving home... DO WANT

DO WANT ALSO.

But on the other hand has anyone seen the movie Surrogate? Its a very sad movie and it makes a lot of sense...