Is Time Already Written?

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

Well I don't know. That's just what I believe.

...Well ok, I "know" it in the sense that I'm defying logic and reason to claim such. It's sort of an "I know" just because I have faith that it's true.

That's exactly why you'll never be able to prove your hypothesis.

It is physically impossible to have every decision preprogrammed into every organism, because they are all based on other random happenings affecting what the decision IS. Not to mention that such a plan would need to manipulate random chance, with no biological organisms or technology involved, which is even more ridiculous of an assumption.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Human No More

That's exactly why you'll never be able to prove your hypothesis.

It is physically impossible to have every decision preprogrammed into every organism, because they are all based on other random happenings affecting what the decision IS. Not to mention that such a plan would need to manipulate random chance, with no biological organisms or technology involved, which is even more ridiculous of an assumption.

I admit it's impossible to prove my point, so he goes off on how much more logical his theory is, even though it's just as unprovable as mine.

Brilliant.

[X.,.Pandora.,.X]

Originally Posted by Aquaplant

No.

Seriously though, it's not even plausible in any conceivable way.

But supposing that all of this were a some sort of cosmic play, then whoever wrote the script is even more incompetent, uncreative and boring than me, and that's saying a lot.

lol, complete, 100%, and utter win.

[Fkeu 'Awpo]

But you have to admit, it's not entirely implausible either.

[Woodsprite]

I know. I know.

I. Know. But it's just as impossible to prove as my hypothesis. That's all I'm saying now. But now since I'm the first person on this topic to admit that (since this whole topic is about hypothesis in the first place), people are jumping all over me like "AhA! See? See? You admitted it; that means I have more reason to claim I'm right! Haha!"

[Fkeu 'Awpo]

Meant to direct that at Aquaplant. Didn't want to re-quote him, so I tried to emphazize "implausible" since he said "plausible."
Sorry for the confusion. D':

[Woodsprite]

Ah.

[Sonoran Na'vi]

Determinism and freewill are interesting concepts and, many times, are competing philosophical ideas on the cause of events. Determinism is the idea that prior events influence the choice made in a current event while freewill is the idea that choice made in a current event is free from constraint. Strict adherence to either idea will cause contradiction with the other idea. But there is also a body of thought that reconciles both in that previous events limit the choices available for a current event, but that we have no constraints to choose among the available choices. The freewill and determinism debate becomes a bit more complicated when an omniscient being is considered.

[neytirifanboy]

In hindsight, time is already written because anything that has happened would not have happened in any other way. So the same could be said of the future.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

I admit it's impossible to prove my point, so he goes off on how much more logical his theory is, even though it's just as unprovable as mine.

Brilliant.

So you can disprove that we don't have every single decision preprogrammed without even knowing the facts we consider at the actual time?
I know a lot of what you think requires willing suspension of disbelief but that is a bit far even by your standards.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Human No More

So you can disprove that we don't have every single decision preprogrammed without even knowing the facts we consider at the actual time?
I know a lot of what you think requires willing suspension of disbelief but that is a bit far even by your standards.

The fact is, I can't disprove anything you say because this entire discussion is outside the realm of anyone's fathomable knowledge. Fact is, you can't disprove what I'm saying either. All you can say is, "It just seems less rational", without anything concrete. That's your opinion. It won't be changed, and I understand that. That's why I dropped the discussion with Fkeu 'Awpo, and vice versa with me.

But don't try to say that it's a matter of fact that your hypothesis is better than my hypothesis, because that's just plain stupid for any discussion relating to time or choice, and anyone can see that.