My Thoughts on a Certain S.E. Scene (Spoilers) - Page 2 - Tree of Souls

**Fkeu'itan** · #16 08-30-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by X.,.Pandora.,.X

there is no possible way it could have been before the I see you scene

Yeah, I know that... I can't really say where it should go though.

**Woodsprite** · #17 08-30-2010, 04:22 AM

Well...

kaliko · #18 08-30-2010, 04:30 AM

I think the Tsu'tey scene was critical for his character and for the audience to come to terms with what would become of the Omaticaya people, as far as tribal hierarchy is concerned. Before knowing that Tsu'tey had officially passed over his authority, we only assumed that Jake would take the leading role since he was the Toruk Mak'to and since he is paired with the previous chief's daughter. But that was only an assumption, and I'm glad to see this scene actually hand over the leadership of the Omaticaya people to Jake. Also like another post mentioned, Tsu'tey's original death scene was just too short to be pleased with.

Timing-wise, it didn't really bother me. I love the scene with Neytiri finding Jake's human body and didn't feel it take away from that necessarily.

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There is one scene that didn't fit well in this movie, and that was the explanation of the floating mountains that Jake gives after he exits the sampson. It felt like it was tacked on for the sake of explanation instead of being part of the movie. Just the dialog and execution of that scene could have been done much better imo.

I agree with above about the one scene landing at Site 16 (is that what it's officially called? can't remember!). I had seen the art concept of this scene from the artbook, so I was happy to see it in the actual film, but it did feel awkward. The script at that part was a bit weak, but that isn't the only part in the film like that so it's ok. Not a necessary keeper but a nice short explanation of what a lot of people were probably wondering.

Human No More · #19 08-30-2010, 04:34 AM

I really think it fit into the story well... perhaps it could have happened after the humans leaving, I'm not sure. I AM glad it did get put back in though, it was an important part of the story.

Then again, I did think that all of the new scenes fit in very well, with the possible exception of Jake and Neytiri at night (with the lizards, before the swimming part) - but that scene is so beautiful, I didn't really mind.

**Woodsprite** · #20 08-30-2010, 05:13 AM

Did anyone think Neytiri's giggling during the extended fan lizard scene was a bit juvenile-sounding? By "juvenile" I mean "weird and childlike-stupid-sounding".

guyguy · #21 08-30-2010, 08:56 AM

can you take a exopack while using the link?
cause basicly Quaritch smashed the windows like 3 min earlier, unless he run to Hell's Gate? (witch dont make sense either)

**Helicoradian** · #22 08-30-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by guyguy

can you take a exopack while using the link?
cause basicly Quaritch smashed the windows like 3 min earlier, unless he run to Hell's Gate? (witch dont make sense either)

I don't see why he couldn't

Pretty sure the exopacks don't contain any electronics that would interfere with the link process. And Jake probably wouldn't have had enough time to go all the way back to the bio lab.

Dreaming Of Pandora · #23 08-30-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

Did anyone think Neytiri's giggling during the extended fan lizard scene was a bit juvenile-sounding? By "juvenile" I mean "weird and childlike-stupid-sounding".

Well it didn't cross my mind when watching it but even if she did it would've been one of very few times in her life that she got to act immature. Being a princess, you know.

Human No More · #24 08-30-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by guyguy

can you take a exopack while using the link?
cause basicly Quaritch smashed the windows like 3 min earlier, unless he run to Hell's Gate? (witch dont make sense either)

Makes sense to me, they're only filters, rather than anything electronic - characters are seen wearing metal objects while linked at various times.

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Well it didn't cross my mind when watching it but even if she did it would've been one of very few times in her life that she got to act immature. Being a princess, you know.

I never thought about it that way really... it didn't really bother me.

Moopels · #25 09-01-2010, 02:44 PM

sorry for the change in thread direction buuuuuuuuuuutttttt: did anyone after seeing the school scene end up more focused in wanting to know more about what happened there than the goings on in the movie? i mean WAT happened at the school!

**Fkeu'itan** · #26 09-01-2010, 02:56 PM

Well, I wasn't more focussed on that than anything else...

But yeah, I was curious to know what happened. Although, by showing you just the aftermath, you can build up your own mental image of the incident...

I think maybe it would be a little blunt of them to outright show you what happened. I guess in a way it's a 'mark of respect'.

Moopels · #27 09-01-2010, 05:09 PM

i think it would of been nice to flush some story and character development out for grace, which could of been done through further development of the school and that aspect of the story. you never know they may touch back on it in the later avatars.

Patrice Maire · #28 09-01-2010, 07:12 PM

I was thinking about the Tsu'tey scene after Woodsprite mentioned putting it before the Quaritch fight. I personally love the scene and I too cry or get choked up watching Last Samurai. It has the same feel and it needed to be added in.
There is a sequence problem with putting it before 'I see you'.
Think about where they are in the fight.
Neytiri is running through the forest while Jake is up dodging the shuttle. Jake falls while Neytiri is fighting and is found by the Thanator. How does she find Tsu'tey to tell Jake? Sure she has a comlink... but unless she backtracks and another Na'vi passes the word to her so she can tell Jake... there's a lot of story manipulation there.
I'll be seeing it again on Saturday, and see how Jake and Neytiri arrive at Tsu'tey's location.

One other thing that bothered me is the link module was compromised for air. Norm's link was smashed and even if Jake could use 'Beulah' the air was compromised. If he has to wear the mask while in the link it's going to be awfully uncomfortable, there isn't a whole lot of room and might interfere. This means traveling back to Hell's Gate to get to a working link.
This would be one explanation of why Jake is back at Hell's Gate to record his last entry.
I suspect that the extra footage on the dvd's might have some of the 'cut scenes' to provide extra background for this kind of awkwardness.

THERE'S SO MUCH MORE MISSING! ::sigh::

**Woodsprite** · #29 09-01-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrice Maire

One other thing that bothered me is the link module was compromised for air. Ron's was smashed and even if Jake could use 'Beulah' the air was compromised.

Who's... Ron?

Human No More · #30 09-02-2010, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrice Maire

I was thinking about the Tsu'tey scene after Woodsprite mentioned putting it before the Quaritch fight. I personally love the scene and I too cry or get choked up watching Last Samurai. It has the same feel and it needed to be added in.
There is a sequence problem with putting it before 'I see you'.
Think about where they are in the fight.
Neytiri is running through the forest while Jake is up dodging the shuttle. Jake falls while Neytiri is fighting and is found by the Thanator. How does she find Tsu'tey to tell Jake? Sure she has a comlink... but unless she backtracks and another Na'vi passes the word to her so she can tell Jake... there's a lot of story manipulation there.
I'll be seeing it again on Saturday, and see how Jake and Neytiri arrive at Tsu'tey's location.

Yep... wouldn't really make sense.

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One other thing that bothered me is the link module was compromised for air. Ron's was smashed and even if Jake could use 'Beulah' the air was compromised. If he has to wear the mask while in the link it's going to be awfully uncomfortable, there isn't a whole lot of room and might interfere. This means traveling back to Hell's Gate to get to a working link.
This would be one explanation of why Jake is back at Hell's Gate to record his last entry.
I suspect that the extra footage on the dvd's might have some of the 'cut scenes' to provide extra background for this kind of awkwardness.

THERE'S SO MUCH MORE MISSING! ::sigh::

I don't see why an exopack wouldn't work in the link, characters are shown wearing metal objects in it before then, it even leaves the sides/back of the head clear.