As for the second amendment thing, both of you miss the point; Grif is a naive idealist, and Tsyal is a condescending jerk. If you compare the number of gun homicides in America to England France or Germany, America has not 5 or 25 but nearly ONE HUNDRED times the number (11,000 vs 135-315). Those countries have very restrictive gun laws, so gun laws must be the answer. But, you are omitting a very crucial question; how does America compare to nations with liberal gun laws? It so happens that we have an example nearby: Canada. Out of a population of about 31 million, 2/3 own 1 or more guns. If their population is one-tenth ours, we would expect one-tenth the homicides, but there isn't. It's about one-tenth of one-tenth, around 175. Then gun laws are apparently not the correct answer either. I say, we are not asking the right questions. These gun laws are merely an attempt to treat the symptoms of a greater problem, that America has a violent socio-psychological flaw. America is desperately broken, and too many very rich people have to many friends with power, who are doing to well to want to change things. And the little guy gets screwed again.
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