Understanding Some of the RDA's Motives (SE Scene)

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Incorrect. Read the script.

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Seems obvious enough to me... Again, read the script.

Why? I agree with Scott and X. Certain parts of a script is meaningless if it isn't in the film. Those parts are as meaningless as the '94 scriptment is. They're as meaningless as saying that Neytiri is 18 years old, when she clearly doesn't look 18, just like Jake doesn't look like he's in his 20s... as indicated by the script.

Originally Posted by Human No More

So did the Na'vi attack Hell's Gate then? Becasue that would be the equivalent (actually, still not equivalent because there are no children there and even the RDA staff who weren't marines were still not innocent.

...Why are we talking about attacking Hell's Gate? They attacked the miner team because that's who destroyed the trees of voices. Hell's Gate, as far as they knew, was not involved.

...And claiming that the RDA miners are "not innocent" just because they aren't children isn't the wisest thing. I could just as easily say most of the people in the World Trade Center weren't innocent either, just because most weren't children.

The RDA miners were doing their jobs as directed by the administration; they didn't have any personal vendetta against the Na'vi, or any desire to kill. Where'd you get that idea?

Originally Posted by Human No More

Yes, perhaps... But not an actual attack on the people hwo did nothing... He expected that perhaps some Na'vi making the attack might get killed (from the video, it looks like none did), but a deliberate attack on civilians like that IS a war crime. I know you're an RDA fan (understandable I suppose with your views), but things like that can never be justified.

Ok, first off, why are you being so hostile? And when did I ever say I was an "RDA fan"? If you ask me, you're not being much of a fair guy in this, and you're blowing things way out of proportion. You know I'm no fan of the RDA. I simply take more time (than anyone here, as a matter of fact) to point out why the RDA might've done what they did, who was guilty and who wasn't, and trying to understand. You know how hard I'm trying to make an effort not to say certain things to you when you lash out like this (which is... quite often)? How hard are you trying?

Anyway, to the subject. An attack on the mining team was nevertheless a brutal one, and an unprovoked one. How many Na'vi died when the trees of voices were destroyed? None.

The mining team was innocent of this, considering they were simply following orders without knowing any better (and how would they?). They're just the grunts that make up the workforce. They're just doing their job. They don't know why the Na'vi are attacking, except to think they're just being savage. They are thus innocents. And the attack by the Na'vi on them was just as much a crime as the attack on Hometree. Not to say their attack on the mining team wasn't unjustified (obviously, we can see their reasons, and we sypathize). But if you look on the other side of the coin, you see a different face. And we can't simply ignore it, either, can we? We can't simply say, "They're evil, so it's ok." Because that's just not true.

Originally Posted by Human No More

Even with the context of both versions, I still don't see the Na'vi as evil just for counterattacking to defend their home.

But... they weren't defending their home... ? They instigated the attack. They made the first move, not the RDA. Even if the RDA did destroy a sacred area, they didn't kill any Na'vi. Most importantly, they didn't kill any Na'vi on purpose.

Not to say they're evil (absolutely not). But the attack truly was something that was uncalled for in the RDA's perspective.

Originally Posted by Human No More

What's with the sudden RDA apologism?

What's with the notion that the RDA are equivalent to the Nazis? No one's saying the RDA wasn't bad. They were. They did the wrong thing. But they weren't indubitably evil, either. We're just trying to put critical thinking on this issue. We're trying to be logical about this, and not just bowing down to the sacred cow that says, "All things non-Na'vi are evil. All things non-Pandora-related are of the devil."

Come on.