Understanding Some of the RDA's Motives (SE Scene)

[Woodsprite]

Gonna have to separate...

Originally Posted by Human No More

Just because something disagrees with your view doesn't make it non-canon.

I... don't think that's what he was saying.

Originally Posted by Human No More

...The script IS debatable...

So... then why were you acting like it wasn't before?

Originally Posted by Human No More

Based on what?
You have absolutely no base to judge Na'vi age and growth rates on 9other than perhaps that one picture of Neytiri and Sylwanin). Anyway, Jake DOES look like he's in his 20s IMHO when he actually has hair, if maybe not at the start.

Well, the growth rates appear to be the same. Mo'at looks old. So does Eytukan and many of the others who look older. So given that reference, I think I can safely make an assumption on how old Neytiri looks, because Mo'at and Eytukan are obviously older than 50. Neytiri thus looks (very much) like she's about 24 or 25.

And Jake looks like he's in his 30s. And... guess what? In reality, he is. So go figure...

Originally Posted by Human No More

I was saying that was the equivalent action, which the Na'vi did not do,so it was the humans who caused the conflict.

So... destroying a sacred area is equivalent to actually murdering someone?

...I don't follow.

Originally Posted by Human No More

They still signed up for it. They still destroyed a Tree of voices. They still probably killed Na'vi beforehand.
There were still no families in Hell's Gate.

How do you know that? Maybe not families with children, but what about grown families, who've been there for 20 years?

And I think you're confusing the miners with the mercenaries...

Originally Posted by Human No More

They still took the job to destroy someone else's world for profit. They caused many events, directly or indirectly.

They're innocent as far as taking lives goes. And I don't think it went like,

Originally Posted by Frank, the miner

"Hi, I'm Frank. I signed up for my miner job on Pandora for the specific purpose of indirectly killing natives and destroying invaluable sites. My friend Mac here signed up just so he could research the science behind the moon just to know exactly what he's destroying for the administration."

Give me a break. Trudy, actually, is proof of what knowledge can do to change your opinion. The rest of the mercenaries didn't know what they were really doing, except thinking they were killing off native savages that didn't have feelings. Trudy traveled with Grace and her team all the time, and she had a knowledge base in the science being conducted on Pandora. That's why she ultimately decided, "Screw this," because she knew exactly what she was doing if she pressed that "Fire" button.

In my humble opinion, with just the knowledge of Trudy, I believe if other members of the RDA knew what was really going on, whether they be miner, mercenary, or just a plain pilot, they would've had the same reaction as Trudy, and would've stepped down. Think about it, please.

Originally Posted by Human No More

I find a difference between actually making a point about their actions (which I can do) and actually looking for a justification. Sometimes there genuinely isn't one.

And sometimes there is. I'm not looking for anything, I just see it. It's just there. You have to look at things in their perspective, not just your own.

Originally Posted by Human No More

So you'd stand by and let somewhere YOU cared about be destroyed and do nothing, as long as nobody was hurt?
They had no right to do it, the Na'vi have every right to defend their home.

...But they weren't defending their home. They were attacking out of revenge. The attack on the mining team was not an attack to defend anything. It never was. It was a vengence ploy.

They knew what they were getting into, and the destruction of the trees of voices was really just the last straw for them. It was an outrage to the Na'vi. If it happened to me, I'd be mad as hell. I'd want to do something about it... but would I go all out and pull a Michael Corleone, shooting down my enemies in hot blood? No. And neither would you... hopefully.

The Na'vi's attack was all they knew how to do. It's all they could do, and I sympathize, as I said. But that still doesn't change the fact that it was an attack that was uncalled for, and was too severe. They could have just destroyed the equipment. They could've left everyone alive. But they didn't. It's understandable, yes, but still unacceptable. Again, keep looking at it from the RDA's perspective. Don't just look at it from yours.

Originally Posted by Human No More

'I was just following orders' is used a justification for some of the worst acts in history. That does not make it alright. There is a reason that AFAIK, members of the military today are actually ordered to ignore any order that would tell them to commit a war crime.

See, that's where you're blowing things out of proportion again. I knew you'd make a comment like this, which is why I wrote the two sentences afterward:

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

They don't know why the Na'vi are attacking, except to think they're just being savage. They are thus innocents.

They had no idea what they were destroying, or what they were really doing, to know why they were being attacked. The Nazis knew what they were doing. So did the Red Army under Mao. So did the enforcers under Pol Pot. The miners didn't want to kill anyone. "I got a native doing a funky chicken, here. He's blocking my blade." If the guy was truly guilty, he would've deliberately tried to kill Jake. The only truly guilty ones are the mercenaries.



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