How might Neytiri react to Tom Sully?

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Human No More

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That was uncalled for. Your points are now invalid.

That Hitler comment was not intended to offend. When you consider some of the comments you have made about religion, I think you of all people should know not to take offense too quickly,

Based on what?
Again this ridiculous apologism? This thread is really starting to smell of anti-intellectualism and I do not like it.

Ah,There's that word again anti-intellectualism. Since when does Tom represent intellectualism, the last we saw this guy he was in a body-bag; we never heard or saw any of these supposed great gifts which you're trying to claim that he has. Was he any more knowledgeable than any of the other scientists who spent years on Pandora but achieved nothing?

So now dreams are the future? PERHAPS... If Jake had started dreaming of Toruk. Flying... Just no

Yes. dreams do sometimes tell of coming events, its happened in the past, its happened in the Bible, and it still happens all the time.

I'd say she is physical and there is no getting around that fact.

Oh really? Then why does James Cameron describe Eywa as an Encompassing spirit? since when are spirits physical? But then I suppose you know more about the film than James Cameron In addition to this, how can a physical entity transfer a spiritual entity (Jake's soul) from one body to the other?

I never did.
There is never only one way to do something. If you can't accept that you're deliberately being blind.
Also, what Advent said. Not to mention that Tom is certainly more intelligent than Jake and could have likely come up with a much better strategy...

Jake's strategy worked just fine, and besides, did any of the other scientists - Max, Norm, have any better ideas? You do not know if Tom is more intelligent, all we know is that he had more qualifications. Many smart people do not pursue the scientific route in life because it simply does not interest them. Jake was smart enough to win a war wasn't he? it was the scientists following HIS orders, not the other way round.

Are you ****ing joking?
Read the script. See how much Grace cares about the Na'vi. Even check the BACKGROUND MATERIAL and the GAME...

Ah, Grace. Don't remind me. This woman has been with the Na'vi for years. She even opened a school for them. Yet in all that time she never became one of them. As Tsu'tey told her forcefully "you do not speak here!!!"
There is no doubt that Grace cared for the Na'vi, but obviously not enough to give them her heart, fully embrace their culture and become one of them; the way Jake did.
That's my problem with Grace and the other scientists, their lack of spirituality, and openness.

Look, I've soundly destroyed your arguments on all counts. Your idea that Tom could have accomplished anything is based on wishful thinking and conjecture. Ultimately we will never know what Tom could have done because he never made it to Pandora, and its probably just as well.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Elyannia

This thread should be closed. I do not like seeing people personally attacking someone else.

There are no personal attacks here as far as I can tell, Its all friendly.

[Elyannia]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

There are no personal attacks here as far as I can tell, Its all friendly.

I saw a few...but I guess if you guys don't think it's getting out of hand I'll just step aside then.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Elyannia

I saw a few...but I guess if you guys don't think it's getting out of hand I'll just step aside then.

Feel free to join in, there is no malice here at all. But alas I feel the thread is coming to a close, because I feel HNM knows he has been soundly defeated, although he may attempt one last desperate attempt to redeem himself, at which point I may simply abandon him to his chosen delusions.

[Davy Jones]

The discussion/argument in this thread is really unnecessary and pointless, maybe Tom could've done the same thing, maybe he couldn't. The thing is, we'll never know, nor will you ever be able to guess, because you knew nothing about Tom, not his personality, nothing.
Things like this creates tension and even though some of you claim a discussion such as this is just healthy and doesn't lead to fights, you still sneak in semi-insults in your posts, as to provoke.

So please, take this down a couple of notches; I'm not saying you should stop the discussion altogether, just show some more respect for the "other side".

Thank you.

[Elyannia]

Originally Posted by Davy Jones

The discussion/argument in this thread is really unnecessary and pointless, maybe Tom could've done the same thing, maybe he couldn't. The thing is, we'll never know, nor can you ever be able to guess, because you knew nothing about Tom, not his personality, nothing.
Things like this creates tension and even though some of you claim a discussion such as this is just healthy and doesn't lead to fights, you still sneak in semi-insults in your posts, as to provoke.

So please, take this down a couple of notches; I'm not saying you should stop the discussion altogether, just show some more respect for the "other side".

Thank you.

You put that into better words than I did. But yes I really agree with you it seemed to get really heated in here.

[electrosphere11]

Originally Posted by Davy Jones

The discussion/argument in this thread is really unnecessary and pointless, maybe Tom could've done the same thing, maybe he couldn't. The thing is, we'll never know, nor will you ever be able to guess, because you knew nothing about Tom, not his personality, nothing.
Things like this creates tension and even though some of you claim a discussion such as this is just healthy and doesn't lead to fights, you still sneak in semi-insults in your posts, as to provoke.

So please, take this down a couple of notches; I'm not saying you should stop the discussion altogether, just show some more respect for the "other side".

Thank you.

No... Thank you.

[Na'vi4life]

One of the few things we do know about Tom is that he was apparently a brililant scientist. Would Neytiri have befriended Tom or even fallen for him? The former: maybe, the latter: no chance. Neytiri had respect for Jake for many reasons: his strong heart, his fearlessness, the fact that he was a warrior when most other dream walkers the Na'vi had encountered before him were scientists, and because even Eywa saw something worthy in Jake. Would Eywa have seen anything in Tom? Would Neytiri have felt a strong heart in Tom like she did with Jake? We'll never know.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

I take it you know all there is to know about Eywa. Eywa is supernatural, there is no getting around that fact.

I don't know everything there is to know about Eywa. But I do have a theory. A very good one, IMO.

Originally Posted by Tiberius

...why does James Cameron describe Eywa as an Encompassing spirit? since when are spirits physical? But then I suppose you know more about the film than James Cameron

James Cameron never said that. It's been described that way in various articles, and on a few fansites, but never by Cameron.

And even if it was described like that by him, something can have a spiritual nature without actually possessing a spirit. For example, a movie can have a spiritual nature because it touches the heart and soul of the individual who watches, and brings out emotion. The film itself, however, does not possess an actual spirit.

[Human No More]

Tiberius, you have 'soundly destroyed' nothing. I an accept some people have different views on most of the elements of Avatar, but you seem to ignore the fact that peopkle disagree with you.
As for your comment about 'spirit', there CAN be such a thing - just because it is physically contained and not a floating mind doesn't change the fact that in a way, it still cab be one.
PS. as for transferring Grace, if you'd forgotten, the Tree of Souls connected directly into her nervous system.

Also, just for your information, I have never been so intellectually limited as to have to resort to reductio ad hitlerum. The only people I have seen do so are the ones unable to provide any real backing for their arguments, which is generally those unable to physically prove things. I have no problem with you thinking that way, but accept that many people don't and if you want to discuss their points, do it without personal attacks.

You're entitled to your opinion, I think you should stick with it and not go flat out denying other people's.

This thread is now pointless and nothing else will come of it, so it's going now. We don't want this to turn into AF, people.