Religion; The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

[PaTRioT]

Hi guys. I'm an athiest. I don't believe in any gods. Religion was never forced upon me as a child and as such i've grown making up my own mind and drawing conclusions of what I believe in from my life experiences etc.

'Harvester of sorrow', i too watched both the Zeitgeist doco's a couple of years back.. pretty mind blowing stuff throughout it all. Sorta makes you wanna *facepalm* and think, how did we get suckered soo badly? (in regards to the forced slavery we nearly all go through to make ends meet and make some big bank exec's rich)

anyway. thats about it atm.

[Советский меч]

Originally Posted by PaTRioT

Hi guys. I'm an athiest. I don't believe in any gods. Religion was never forced upon me as a child and as such i've grown making up my own mind and drawing conclusions of what I believe in from my life experiences etc.

'Harvester of sorrow', i too watched both the Zeitgeist doco's a couple of years back.. pretty mind blowing stuff throughout it all. Sorta makes you wanna *facepalm* and think, how did we get suckered soo badly? (in regards to the forced slavery we nearly all go through to make ends meet and make some big bank exec's rich)

anyway. thats about it atm.

Hello, its always nice to meet a member with similiar views especially one whos athiest.

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

Ehem...



You were saying?

Where does it say that im superior?

[PaTRioT]

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

Hello, its always nice to meet a member with similiar views especially one whos athiest.

Glad to meet you also

I dunno if it's just Me and My friendship group, or if Athiesm is just alot more prevelant in Australia... But it certainly seems like the majority of people i know and have met in my life, Very few of them believe in any religions.

I guess from my opinion, you only have to look at the state of the world to realise there isn't some higher power looking out for us making sure everything is OK.

Also, a sidenote. I've been watching some Stephen Hawking doco's called 'Into the Universe, With Stephen Hawking'. I've always been fascinated by the universe and the science behind it and i found these really interesting, maybe look them up if u are in need of something to watch

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

Where does it say that im superior?

If all religious people are feeble-minded, what does that make you?

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

If all religious people are feeble-minded, what does that make you?

not all religious people are feeble minded but there are many who are.

[ZenitYerkes]

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

not all religious people are feeble minded but there are many who are.

When you say "Many people who are religious are feeble minded" you're kind of belittling the group Woodsprite is part of, no?

Anyway, we'd better get back on topic instead of judging Harvester.

BTW, my "God" is not Eywa, is just a model I try to follow. Truth and Love mostly. The only thing is that I feel connected to that being in some way... but I can't describe how. At least not until I find a good explanation.

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Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

When you say "Many people who are religious are feeble minded" you're kind of belittling the group Woodsprite is part of, no?

Anyway, we'd better get back on topic instead of judging Harvester.

BTW, my "God" is not Eywa, is just a model I try to follow. Truth and Love mostly. The only thing is that I feel connected to that being in some way... but I can't describe how. At least not until I find a good explanation.

At least you dont believe in an invisible bearded man that created everything in a matter of days. What you believe in seems to be maybe an energy that flows through evrything that makes everything conncted. maybe.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

Anyway, we'd better get back on topic instead of judging Harvester.

...No. The topic was brought up on how religion is a sold product to the public, rather than a legitimate, spiritual resource for many around the globe. I'm not judging, I'm stating facts; nothing more.

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

At least you dont believe in an invisible bearded man that created everything in a matter of days.

If you seriously think that monotheists primarily believe in an "invisible bearded man" then you've got much studying to do. Because I do believe in God, does that automatically make me the "feeble-minded fool" and you the "superior, enlightened one"? If you believe this, be very careful how you address others in life, because there are others who'd disagree. Is every single monotheist who doesn't believe evolution a "feeble-minded" idiot? By what right do you attribute such a label?

I'm sorry your beliefs surround a mindless force of nature back before the world began long ago and far, far away, where gravity was material and frictionless space could be manipulated (against physics in every fashion). If your answer to everyone who believes the opposite is true is, "You're an idiot", then by definition you're insulting yourself by never bringing your side to the table. Instead you hide deviously behind those like-minded thinkers who don't call for such "petty nonsense", which is the only source of reason they can conjure from the depths of their research program they call a "theory".

As far as logic goes, I believe: In the beginning, God...

and you believe: In the beginning, dirt...

Which is the more logical? Even with an extended amount of time, which is more logical? If the latter, I can't help you.

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Originally Posted by Woodsprite

...No. The topic was brought up on how religion is a sold product to the public, rather than a legitimate, spiritual resource for many around the globe. I'm not judging, I'm stating facts; nothing more.


If you seriously think that monotheists primarily believe in an "invisible bearded man" then you've got much studying to do. Because I do believe in God, does that automatically make me the "feeble-minded fool" and you the "superior, enlightened one"? If you believe this, be very careful how you address others in life, because there are others who'd disagree. Is every single monotheist who doesn't believe evolution a "feeble-minded" idiot? By what right do you attribute such a label?

I'm sorry your beliefs surround a mindless force of nature back before the world began long ago and far, far away, where gravity was material and frictionless space could be manipulated (against physics in every fashion). If your answer to everyone who believes the opposite is true is, "You're an idiot", then by definition you're insulting yourself by never bringing your side to the table. Instead you hide deviously behind those like-minded thinkers who don't call for such "petty nonsense", which is the only source of reason they can conjure from the depths of their research program they call a "theory".

As far as logic goes, I believe: In the beginning, God...

and you believe: In the beginning, dirt...

Which is the more logical? Even with an extended amount of time, which is more logical? If the latter, I can't help you.

Im going to ignore most of that dribble and get straight to the last part. Theres nothing logical about a god what so ever. Logic and religion are two very different things. "The invisible and the non existent have alot in common".

[Taw Tsamsiyu]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

As far as logic goes, I believe: In the beginning, God...

and you believe: In the beginning, dirt...

That made me LOL

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Originally Posted by Taw Tsamsiyu

That made me LOL

What was funny? Was it his severe lack of knowledge concerning the beginning of the earth?

[ZenitYerkes]

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

What was funny? Was it his severe lack of knowledge concerning the beginning of the earth?

I think we all have the same proofs here. We only take out several ones to make our theories make sense.

EG: You discard the Bible, Woodsprite discards Doppler effect.

I discard none until I've got an actual argument to prove invalid one of them.

However I have to say that the Doppler effect (which proves galaxies and stars and becoming more distant one to each other) has to have a cause; perhaps a previous explosion; so I tend to consider the Big Bang theory valid.

@Woodsprite, if it's not poetic or nice it doesn't mean it's not right. How if it was actually dirt in the beginning, huh?
@Harvester: No, it's not that everything is connected. It's just a moral model. If it develops into something deeper, I'll let you know, but now it's just that.

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I respect you zenit, you are very reasonable when it comes to this argument and I respect that. So your religion is not something physical but an energy that stands as a model for you on how to live your life?

[ZenitYerkes]

Originally Posted by Harvester of Sorrow

I respect you zenit, you are very reasonable when it comes to this argument and I respect that. So your religion is not something physical but an energy that stands as a model for you on how to live your life?

It's just a being I consider a model. Sometimes I call it Eywa, sometimes She, sometimes Truth. Sometimes it's shapeless, sometimes I want to picture it as a thin, tall and blond female with serious face and plain body with a silky, large dress; sometimes I want it to be a guide. Sometimes I dream of her.

I can't say what it is exactly (since I am constantly changing on that aspect); but at least for me I can say it's something.

God? I don't know.

It's something I respect, I love and I feel connected to. And what's sure is that it represents everything I believe in: Truth, Love and Honesty.

Strange religion, this of mine; isn't it?