Ways To Cope With The Depression Of The Dream Of Pandora Being Intangible.

[Human No More]

That's it... it's also about Pandora being intangible to us. I don't want that changed (unless you can take me there )
Pandora is my home. I don't want to have to forget about it.

[Stanley_9875]

Thats the thing, after deeply thinking "why do I have PAD after seeing this, and others have PAE?" and I believe (as a basic thought) I do have PAE while watching Avatar, I have all the time in the world to watch Jakes life unfold, to watch his life completely change forever, and I dont want it to end. I watch it smiling as I see him with Neytiri, how they are learning about each other, and he is trying to learn the Na'vi ways. He's getting a new life. And I'm happy, because I'm a part of it. In that time I'm there and I'm lost in that world. Then once the credits roll, the life is gone. I'm back in the world I wanted to get away from. Having to go to work tomorrow, then school...

I believe thats what's the problem. Anyone else agree or feel the same?

[Human No More]

Yes, I definitely feel that...

I see my home.. for 2.5 hours. Then I end up stuck here again... With all the other people, all the problems, everything that's wrong here that is perfect for the Na'vi...

[caveman]

Originally Posted by Stanley_9875

Thats the thing, after deeply thinking "why do I have PAD after seeing this, and others have PAE?" and I believe (as a basic thought) I do have PAE while watching Avatar, I have all the time in the world to watch Jakes life unfold, to watch his life completely change forever, and I dont want it to end. I watch it smiling as I see him with Neytiri, how they are learning about each other, and he is trying to learn the Na'vi ways. He's getting a new life. And I'm happy, because I'm a part of it. In that time I'm there and I'm lost in that world. Then once the credits roll, the life is gone. I'm back in the world I wanted to get away from. Having to go to work tomorrow, then school...

I believe thats what's the problem. Anyone else agree or feel the same?

There is a strong contrast between our world and the Na'vi world. But there doesn't have to be.

Think about what would make that contrast less extreme. What makes you happy?

[Stanley_9875]

Originally Posted by caveman

There is a strong contrast between our world and the Na'vi world. But there doesn't have to be.

Think about what would make that contrast less extreme. What makes you happy?

Going to raves, being with people who are close to my heart and understand me, being free, being away from people who are mean, spiteful, basically those who don't See, being with the one I love, being at a new place.... things like that

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by caveman

There is a strong contrast between our world and the Na'vi world. But there doesn't have to be.

Think about what would make that contrast less extreme. What makes you happy?

I don't WANT it to be 'less extreme'. That contrast is what gives me something in life, it's something to wish for... Unless you can create Pandora here, then I don't want to lose that.

[Stanley_9875]

Also I forgot making music and listening to music

[caveman]

Originally Posted by Stanley_9875

Going to raves, being with people who are close to my heart and understand me, being free, being away from people who are mean, spiteful, basically those who don't See, being with the one I love, being at a new place.... things like that

It sounds like you're going through some stress created by these "mean people". Have you tried meditation? Giving yourself time to clear the mind of all the nonsense that surrounds us can really help. I think you'd be surprised how hard it is to think of nothing. It shows how cluttered our minds are, but if you keep at it you should be able to think and relax and reflect on your life clearly.

Keep pursuing the things that make you happy. And the things that make you sad, stay away from. That doesn't necessarily mean run away from your fears, rather, run away from any of these mean people.

Originally Posted by Human No More

I don't WANT it to be 'less extreme'. That contrast is what gives me something in life, it's something to wish for... Unless you can create Pandora here, then I don't want to lose that.

I wasn't really talking to you. But I'll respond anyways.

I guess, what's confusing me is this contradiction.

I don't WANT it to be 'less extreme'.

Unless you can create Pandora here

You don't want to lose sight of Pandora. I'm the same way. Again, I don't understand why you think otherwise. But wouldn't creating a Pandora here make the comparison less extreme? That's actually what I'm aiming for - to create Pandora here. In order to do that, you need to have a clear vision of what Pandora is. So I wouldn't want to take that away, not that I would know how to anyways. But along with the vision, you need a desire to make your life better for you. This process of working towards a Pandora here should make you happier. So you can be away from home, but still be happy knowing you're working towards it. It's the journey, not the destination so to speak.

[auroraglacialis]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I don't WANT it to be 'less extreme'. That contrast is what gives me something in life, it's something to wish for... Unless you can create Pandora here, then I don't want to lose that.

I still do not really understand you. Why would it be actually worse for you, if you could have some of the things from Pandora or the NA'Vi here on Earth? Why does it have to be all or nothing and especially why is it better to have a stronger contrast? Would you actually increase the contrast voluntarily by living in a place that is even more in contrast with Pandora or in a place and environment that is closer to it?

What DO you wish for - what is it, that dreaming of Pandora makes you wish for? If it is not getting closer to that way of life what is it? Really beeing on Pandora, really beeing a NA'Vi, I would guess. To what does it inspire you?

[Sight Unseen]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I see my home.. for 2.5 hours. Then I end up stuck here again... With all the other people, all the problems, everything that's wrong here that is perfect for the Na'vi...

Yeah.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

I still do not really understand you. Why would it be actually worse for you, if you could have some of the things from Pandora or the NA'Vi here on Earth? Why does it have to be all or nothing and especially why is it better to have a stronger contrast? Would you actually increase the contrast voluntarily by living in a place that is even more in contrast with Pandora or in a place and environment that is closer to it?

I don't see how I could, except possibly future genetic engineering and maybe physical modifications. Even so, there's still a huge amount that gets me nowhere closer to...

What DO you wish for - what is it, that dreaming of Pandora makes you wish for? If it is not getting closer to that way of life what is it? Really beeing on Pandora, really beeing a NA'Vi, I would guess. To what does it inspire you?

I wish for everything... all that we can never have here .
I want to ride an ikran. I want to run through the bioluminescent forests. I want to find a beautiful woman who Sees me... I want tsaheylu ... I want to be free and not have to worry about work or money or houses or governments or ayskxawng. I want to look like the Na'vi do. I want to live that life. I want to be myself.
There is so much that I want, I couldn't explain it all...

[Tsyal Makto]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I want to ride an ikran.

YouTube - Hang gliding in the Italian Dolomites
YouTube - Hang Gliding in Oceanside, Oregon

Originally Posted by Human No More

I want to run through the bioluminescent forests.

Go look at the "Pandora on Earth" thread again, and look at some of those forest pictures. They might not glow, but come on, who wouldn't want to run through them?

Originally Posted by Human No More

I want to find a beautiful woman who Sees me... I want tsaheylu ...

There are plenty of beautiful woman warriors out there, you just need to look for them (I know this doesn't help much, because others have said it before), trust me. There's millions of women out there that want to live like we do, and have the strength to fight for it, just check the forum here. While yes, vanity, consumerism, and general shallowness have corrupted a good share of the female population of the modern world, some have managed to ascend above it. Find them. As for tsaheylu, you can have it, as long as you have an open mind spiritually. In the throws of passion, true love and passion, you tell me that two souls aren't intertwining.

Originally Posted by Human No More

I want to be free and not have to worry about work or money or houses or governments or ayskxawng. I want to look like the Na'vi do. I want to live that life. I want to be myself.

Yes, the strangehold that modern society has on people - that there is no alternative, and to be a consumer wage slave is the only option - is incredibly daunting, but the important thing to remember is that it is a strangehold of ideas. To reject the ideas is to sap the modern world of it's power. The things we know here - of the beauty of nature, of truly free ways of life, and the power of the individual - are things that those who rule the modern world don't want us to know, because their illusions of false happiness through consumerism, and there being no alternative to a worker lifestyle, collapse. There are people out there that have managed to free themselves from the strangehold of the modern world, that live the Na'vi life on Earth, because they recognized the faux power of society and rejected it. If they can do it, you can too.

You might not be able to have everything exactly as it is 100% on Pandora, but if you put the effort in, you can get pretty damn close. Until you make it to Pandora, either through virtual reality, the afterlife, or somehow tracking down one in this vast universe, you're on Earth. You're on an Earth though that has vast beauty and freedom that you can have if you're willing to buck the trend of the rest of the world, fight the aristocracy, and pave your own way in life.

As long as you're here, might as well make the most of it, right?

[X.,.Pandora.,.X]

What worked for me, go out on a clear night with a full moon, just after it snowed, take in a deep breath of chilled fresh air, and look at the stars, moon, and your surroundings.

[Sempu]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I want to ride an ikran. I want to run through the bioluminescent forests. I want to find a beautiful woman who Sees me... I want tsaheylu ... I want to be free and not have to worry about work or money or houses or governments or ayskxawng. I want to look like the Na'vi do. I want to live that life. I want to be myself.
There is so much that I want, I couldn't explain it all...

That is quite some vision. What are you doing towards making it happen?

[auroraglacialis]

Well, I understand you, HNM in that of course hanggliding is not an Ikran and that a lush forest still is not bioluminescent and that tsaheylu is just not happening here on Earth as well as there are no floating mountains and a sky with a giant red planet. I long for these too, I have to admit. And I think they will and always have been in my dreams.
But I did not intend to ask for your longings or dreams, I meant to ask towards what these longings inspire you? You said they are good for you, you cherish these longings despite them beeing unreachable (ok, some actually are - like finding a soulmate and becoming free of society and live more naturally)? So if they are good for you, what is their effect on you, towards what do these things inspire you in your life - what vision for your life here and now do you get from them? Pandora is intangible and dwelling on a longing for it that cannot be fulfilled only makes sense, if it inspires you towards something in your life now and here, otherwise it is just escaping into dreams and waiting for some miracle, I would think.