Loyalty To One's Species?

[Advent]

Hmm. I understand Eltu's reasoning, but this will be funny.

[Eltu]

The human and the other animal both have the exact same right to live.

I value them exactly the same. Therefore I could not tell, in theory, who I would save. If that would actually happen, I would be forced to make a choice based on who I could most easily save, not based on what species they belong to.

All life have the exact same right to live. Be it a human, an ant, a wolf.

[Aquaplant]

In a purely evolutionary scenario, it would make more sense to save the animal, since animals do not endanger our status, because they cannot compete with us in our environment. Every time a human dies, everyone else improves their odds of survival, since there's one less to compete against. A rather harsh interpretation, but it's still true to a certain point.

[Isard]

Aquaplant, we've moved a bit beyond that. At least in developed countries.

[Aquaplant]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Aquaplant, we've moved a bit beyond that. At least in developed countries.

I'm not sure what interpretation you got out of that, but I can assure you, that competing for resources has never gone away despite the changes to our lifestyle over time, it has just changed to different form.

[Isard]

If my neighbor meets an unfortunate end I am no better off. In fact, I'd be worse off.

[Aquaplant]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

If my neighbor meets an unfortunate end I am no better off. In fact, I'd be worse off.

You really need to look at the big picture. For instance, if you are applying for a job, you must make your resume as convincing as possible to maximize to odds of you being picked for that job. Now consider that there are a hundred other applicants looking for the same job, all with equal skills with similar resumes. One of those is going to be picked, while others bite the dust. It's just simple statistics, that with less people applying for one job, the greater the chances for you to get it.

When there are more people than jobs, people compete for jobs. When there are equal amount of jobs to people, people compete for the best jobs.

Life is a constant competition, and I for one am sick of it already.

[Isard]

Point.


But we both already have jobs... so...

[Site 26]

I can not turn my back on humanity. Even though there are alot of dumb, selfish, evil, etc people in real life, there is also alot of good in the world as well. I'm not going to reject who I am.

[Aquaplant]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Point.


But we both already have jobs... so...

Well, like I said, that was only an example. Think about whatever you might want, that he might also want, but only one of you could have it. The less people are after the things you want, the more likely you are to get what you want.

But enough with the topic derailing.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Advent

You can not POSSIBLY say to me you have not committed a sin in your entire life. But apparently, Na'vis are perfect.

I can say that, because I don't live by such fiction, so I am not bound by outdated words in that way.

Originally Posted by Eltu

The Na'vi are not perfect either - and I do not show any loyalty towards the Na'vi. They are quite intangible, so that would have no point.

Of course no one's perfect, but that does not change my opinion - I see no reason to show loyalty to humanity.

Present me ONE good reason.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Fkeu 'Awpo

So if the opportunity arose, you'd betray us all?

Depends what you mean... I would never betray any of my friends... As for humanity itself, I'd LEAVE, but I wouldn't betray... those are completely separate things.

Originally Posted by Fkeu 'Awpo

So, considering that all of us would be back on Earth, would you or would you not pull a Jake?

I would.

Originally Posted by Fkeu 'Awpo

"I value a random human exactly as much as a random bug."

One final scenario: a random human and a random animal are about to be killed, but you can save one. Choose, and tell me why.

Depends who the human is. In general, I'd save a sentient being over a non sentient one, but if the human was one who just deserves to die (there are many such people), I wouldn't.

[Fkeu 'Awpo]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Depends what you mean... I would never betray any of my friends... As for humanity itself, I'd LEAVE, but I wouldn't betray... those are completely separate things.

I kind of double asked back there, sorry. I meant betray, as like what Jake did.
But, you answered that already, so yeah.

Originally Posted by Human No More

Depends who the human is. In general, I'd save a sentient being over a non sentient one, but if the human was one who just deserves to die (there are many such people), I wouldn't.

Alright, but why save the human over the animal?
(Oh and random human, as in, you know nothing about them, other than that they are human.)

[Advent]

May I say that no matter what they've done, nobody deserves to die.

And sin, may not be the proper word. Believe me, you can not have been righteous and caring every day of your life.

You see, we are like the parents, overseeing everything, and humanity is the child.
Going to a distant planet, leaving your race behind, that's like abandoning a naughty child just to adopt a better behaved one.

Seriously, no one I know personally would leave humanity, and abandon Earth.

[Tsyal Makto]

Well that was a helluva 180 from your last post.

[Advent]

Thanks. I do that sometimes.

..As long as it gets the message to people.