The Change - What Do -You- Want?

[rasomaso]

I keep hearing about how the society is all bad and bla bla, but what exactly do you want to change and into what?

[fkeua vrrtep]

Change to evil to good , which starts with the mindset of people .

[Earthlover18]

I'd like for people to just slow down from the daily grind and appreciate the simple things in life more. Our planet, the universe, life itself; lots of people take it all for granted you know? That's my outlook in a nutshell I guess :/

[Tsyal Makto]

For one thing, people need to get off the mindset that they are seperate from the natural world. We have to stop thinking of nature as an enemy that needs to be conquered, but rather as an ally that we are an intimate, interconnected part of.

I've got more to post, but I'm tired as hell right now and my thoughts are a jumble right now.

[Human No More]

Politics. People trying to get power over others or thinking that they should tell everyone how to live.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by fkeua vrrtep

Change to evil to good , which starts with the mindset of people .

Umm... ?

Think about that for a bit...


...really hard.

[Elyannia]

Originally Posted by Earthlover18

I'd like for people to just slow down from the daily grind and appreciate the simple things in life more. Our planet, the universe, life itself; lots of people take it all for granted you know? That's my outlook in a nutshell I guess :/

^^^^ This.

[josie20]

I, for one, would like it if people would stop treating other people like garbage. How about a little kindness and respect?

That's one reason I like coming to this place. We're all pretty kind and respectful.

[Spock]

Your ideals are admirable, really.

The truth is there is nothing that can be done to change society at present, it must evolve to a stage of enlightenment for anything good to come of it. Until that time it is the duty of good men and woman to advance that evolution. Even then I fear the good and the bad that occupies society as its battlefield is a cosmic balance of good and evil that must forever remain.

Time will hold the answers.

[Fkeu 'Awpo]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

Umm... ?

Think about that for a bit...


...really hard.

REALLY REALLY HARD.

Anyway, it wasn't worded in the best way, but it's simple. Less evil, more good.

What's wrong with that?

But I agree with Spock, it's a longshot. We're can't just change society; it is society that must change on it's own.

But this thread is about WHAT we want changed, not whether or not it can happen.

And to be honest, I don't think anything needs changing. Maybe less bombs that could end all life on Earth, but other than that, I don't really know.

[fkeua vrrtep]

Originally Posted by Fkeu 'Awpo

REALLY REALLY HARD.

Anyway, it wasn't worded in the best way, but it's simple. Less evil, more good.

What's wrong with that?

But I agree with Spock, it's a longshot. We're can't just change society; it is society that must change on it's own.

But this thread is about WHAT we want changed, not whether or not it can happen.

And to be honest, I don't think anything needs changing. Maybe less bombs that could end all life on Earth, but other than that, I don't really know.

Another question , why should we need a society as it exists currently with all it's institutions that force pressure on us to maintain a "good" living , the current society is held together with nothing but fear from new or unknown things or because it's been demonified by those who want to keep the "society" alive because it grants them "power" over their own people and makes them able to oppress them without great effort .

We are told to be loyal to the place we are born in and specially to the OUR people , society does not want us to explore the world , it's people or even ourselves , all society wants us to do is sit in front of their TV's , eat Chips until we weigh half of a small car , and of course they want us to consume consume comsume and consume , and the thing I have the biggest problem with is that society wants to keep it's people down , to keep them dumb and uneducated , or why do you think Obama canceled the help for the US education-system ?

You see , it's about the mindset of people , people find trust in this system simply because they have been manipulated over the last century into thinking it's the only logical choice we have , but it's not and specially not the best one , by far.

[rasomaso]

Really? I don't think society is forcing me to do anything... I don't think there is anything bad about the way I live, what exactly is demonified? I know, people need more respect for each other, politics to be more responsible and less greedy and generally everyone to lighten up their attitude, perhaps less consumerism, but I don't see any radical changes required.

[fkeua vrrtep]

Originally Posted by rasomaso

Really? I don't think society is forcing me to do anything... I don't think there is anything bad about the way I live, what exactly is demonified? I know, people need more respect for each other, politics to be more responsible and less greedy and generally everyone to lighten up their attitude, perhaps less consumerism, but I don't see any radical changes required.

Well let's take a look at the so called modern life , people expect you to follow the typical stereotype life of a "modern" human being , first you'll have to go to a school of your parents choice (most likely) , mostly there aren't things taught you are interested into , or you'll have to study stuff you don't like to , which already will force you into a certain direction , plus we are constantly taught of the values of consumerism and materialism , it's good to have a well payed job you'll have to sacriface your privacy for and work most of the day , you'll have to pay taxes to people you'll never meet and you won't get anything in return for it .

All this manipulization starts from your early childhood on , and as soon as you get your first TV , it just gets worse and worse , you'll get bombared with unnecessary informations and it's only ment to numb your senses , to blunt you towards your surroundings and mainly , to stupidify , just take a look at all those commercials , the afternoon program , the new ad from Britney Spears new song , or how important it is to inform you on who could be Paris Hiltons new "best-friend".

You are constantly forced into thinking about stuff in the way society wants you to , may it be subconscious or conscious , society wants you to stay in that whole warm and fluffy bubble of working ,consuming and please die as soon as possible because you will cost us money if you don't , and of course please stay as stupid as you can to not get into thinking about if the things happening around you are wrong or right .

Society , or the people behind this structure have always been demonifying things that threaten the bubble in which they keep their sheep in , may it be other religions or the demonification of Hamp and Cannabis in the early 20th century ,simply because it was a huge thread to the western industries , specially the cotton industry and the alcohol and tobacco industry , everything that threatens to alter the sphere of this bubble will be straight demonified by the system and tries to control peoples mindset about things , most likely they want to change the image of something into a negative one .

And about politics ,you can totally forget about politics , parties are all the same , only their names change , the program stays the same which is promise, promise and promise and make nothing come true in the end and to squeeze as much profit out of the people as possible .

If you look at the whole , there has to be a radical change in my oppinion , or else people will stay trapped forever in not being able to think for themselves and analyze what is happening around them , consumerism and materialism have poisoned the human mind and are the tools of corporations to control and to exploit you without you complaining about or even noticing it .

And with tricking you into thinking nothing should or has to be changed ,you can already see , they do a damn good job .

[ZenitYerkes]

fkeua vrrtep: THIS society may not be the best or the fairest, but society in general terms is needed as long as we are social beings. Just like the ants need to live in the nest, we need our cities and villages. And as long as we don't have a better alternative, we need this.

The change I want? Turn selfishness into generosity, we need to learn to lose for the common good instead for just care for ourselves. Nobody taking advantage of anyone, nobody wishing the best for just themselves.

Fkeu'Awpo: Good and evil are relative terms, comparisons; you can't say something is good or bad without taking a reference. If you try to turn everything into good stuff, you will still compare and see there are things worse than others. Thus it is just not possible to turn everything into good, unless you have a monotonic amount of everything that makes comparing impossible.

[rasomaso]

Originally Posted by fkeua vrrtep

Well let's take a look at the so called modern life , people expect you to follow the typical stereotype life of a "modern" human being , first you'll have to go to a school of your parents choice (most likely) , mostly there aren't things taught you are interested into , or you'll have to study stuff you don't like to , which already will force you into a certain direction

Well that's rather uncommon, or at least around here. I don't know anyone who was forced into studying certain subject by parents. If that's the case, it means the parents are stupid and have no consideration of their child's interests, nothing wrong with society in general. Most people study what they are interested in, but it's true that some of them chose it because they wanted more money, but that's their choice, problem is just that some people think of being rich too much, money isn't everything... Those are individual cases.

plus we are constantly taught of the values of consumerism and materialism , it's good to have a well payed job you'll have to sacriface your privacy for and work most of the day

Not really, my mom always told me it's more important to have a job you enjoy and I believe that's what every responsible parent should tell their children. Of course you can't do your hobby as your job if it makes you starve because you suck at it lol, but there has to be balance. As for the consumerism and materialism, I agree with you, but I mentioned that in my post.

you'll have to pay taxes to people you'll never meet and you won't get anything in return for it .

Not true. The road you are driving on, it was built by people you know, you didn't give them anything in return for building it too. Or maybe the scientists or teachers, they are all paid from the taxes you pay. It's a system, where you give and receive, you just gotta see that you are actually receiving, not just taking it as granted.

All this manipulization starts from your early childhood on , and as soon as you get your first TV , it just gets worse and worse , you'll get bombared with unnecessary informations and it's only ment to numb your senses , to blunt you towards your surroundings and mainly , to stupidify , just take a look at all those commercials , the afternoon program , the new ad from Britney Spears new song , or how important it is to inform you on who could be Paris Hiltons new "best-friend".

Consumerism and materialism.

Society , or the people behind this structure have always been demonifying things that threaten the bubble in which they keep their sheep in , may it be other religions or the demonification of Hamp and Cannabis in the early 20th century ,simply because it was a huge thread to the western industries , specially the cotton industry and the alcohol and tobacco industry , everything that threatens to alter the sphere of this bubble will be straight demonified by the system and tries to control peoples mindset about things , most likely they want to change the image of something into a negative one.

Yeah the corporations thing is always bad, I actually wanted to say "important people" of some sort instead of politics. The more people company has, it's more likely to act this way. If you think about it, politics and big corporations are not very different, they are mostly about profit. The difference is that politics shouldn't be ones for profit (hence the responsibility I mentioned) and people in charge of big companies shouldn't make profit at the expense of morality (hence the greed comment).

And about politics ,you can totally forget about politics , parties are all the same , only their names change , the program stays the same which is promise, promise and promise and make nothing come true in the end and to squeeze as much profit out of the people as possible .

^above

If you look at the whole , there has to be a radical change in my oppinion , or else people will stay trapped forever in not being able to think for themselves and analyze what is happening around them , consumerism and materialism have poisoned the human mind and are the tools of corporations to control and to exploit you without you complaining about or even noticing it.

Define radical, what exactly is supposed to be the outcome? I'm not a statistic, so I don't know how many people are blinded by consumerism, but I'm not. I can see it and I don't think I know anyone who doesn't. But that's what I mention before isn't it?

And with tricking you into thinking nothing should or has to be changed ,you can already see , they do a damn good job .

I never said that, maybe I think of a "radical change" as a more radical change than you...