"Avatar tribe" wins over Mining Giant

[auroraglacialis]

Sure there is. But it seems that the celebrations for final victory were a bit premature - the victory will have to be defended! I dont say give up - on the contrary, I think the fight goes on, though I would have preferred it if there would not have to be a fight. What I am saying is that as long as global capitalist industrial corporations are around, there will probably be not much time for any land based people to sit back and relax, enjoying their victory...

[Moco Loco]

I'm still on the side of the radical concept that not all corporations are evil but unfortunately, those that are corrupt generally make more profits and expand faster.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

I'm still on the side of the radical concept that not all corporations are evil

Exactly - a lot of people tend to look for something to match their beliefs to seek validation for them.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Moco Loco

I'm still on the side of the radical concept that not all corporations are evil but unfortunately, those that are corrupt generally make more profits and expand faster.

No, the corporations ARE evil, personally I think its the military that does not deserve the hate.

Anyway HURRAH....how long till there is an "accident" and an avalanche crushes everyone and then the mining people roll right back in?

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Cyvaris

No, the corporations ARE evil, personally I think its the military that does not deserve the hate.

Anyway HURRAH....how long till there is an "accident" and an avalanche crushes everyone and then the mining people roll right back in?

Sorry, but you're living in a fictional world there. While militaries are, at the highest level, a reflection of people who command them, there are enough well known incidents they have committed from lower down or unprompted to still make a point about some of the individuals who join.

As for 'an accident', you need to stop reading badly made websites where some guy in his parents' basement claims that Obama is an illegal immigrant/communist/reptilian alien/sentient algae and the Illuminati/Reptilians/Jews/Masons/Whoever It Is This Week are secretly plotting to take over the world via population control or whatever - the real world doesn't work that way, and even if it did, these supposedly omnipotent organisations would in that case be able to cover up any news.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Sorry, but you're living in a fictional world there. While militaries are, at the highest level, a reflection of people who command them, there are enough well known incidents they have committed from lower down or unprompted to still make a point about some of the individuals who join.

As for 'an accident', you need to stop reading badly made websites where some guy in his parents' basement claims that Obama is an illegal immigrant/communist/reptilian alien/sentient algae and the Illuminati/Reptilians/Jews/Masons/Whoever It Is This Week are secretly plotting to take over the world via population control or whatever - the real world doesn't work that way, and even if it did, these supposedly omnipotent organisations would in that case be able to cover up any news.

Well....you can have your opinion and I have mine. I find that the military(while I oppose war) are usually unfairly demonized.

Now about the "accident". I voted for Obama, and I don't believe that the world is going to be taken over by some secret group. I was just noting the fact that something like that could easily be brushed under the rug by an excuse like that. ''Woops sorry we didn't mean to collapse that mountain it just happened." Its the sort of thing that happens all the time to excuse those sort of things.

[Moco Loco]

To get down to the bottom of this, I guess it really just depends on your personal philosophy of what "evil" is. If you think war is wrong, the military is evil. If you think (excessive) profit is wrong, corporations are evil.

[Fkeu'itan]

Excessive profits aren't evil, it's how those excessive profits are usually made/consequently spent that is.

[auroraglacialis]

Excessive profits are called excessive because they are bigger than can be expected when operating in a reasonable way.

Just because some conspiracy theories are wrong does not mean that there are no conspiracies int he world. The US has assasinated a number of politicians in other states, there have been secret agreements between corporations or CEOs and there is the "revolving door", connecting politics to corporations. These are not fictional or reptile-nazi-bosses from the moon.

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by auroraglacialis

Excessive profits are called excessive because they are bigger than can be expected when operating in a reasonable way.

Profit is functionally unlimited if a large enough market can be found without automatically following any specific practices - some of the most profitable ideas have been simply widely adopted, either through necessity (especially if there are no serious competitors), technical superiority, or individuality/differentiation. Many of those have sunk huge amounts of money back into improving humanity's situation as a result.

Just because some conspiracy theories are wrong does not mean that there are no conspiracies int he world. The US has assasinated a number of politicians in other states, there have been secret agreements between corporations or CEOs and there is the "revolving door", connecting politics to corporations. These are not fictional or reptile-nazi-bosses from the moon.

Yet the old 'corporate conspiracy', especially of the "capable of covering up events" (which was unrealistic even in the pre-information age and pre-Wikileaks) is a staple of badly written fiction and remains there.

[Cyvaris]

^ Except when the Space Nazis are you know...real
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[auroraglacialis]

Well there are attempted coverups. If not, there would not be the need for Wikileaks. And without some whistleblowers, these coverups can actually work quite well. They do not have to last forever, just long enough for people to forget about it or to make the topic uninteresting enough for the media. There will always now be a couple of people interested in uncovering it and know the truth. But often this is a minority, called "fringe" by the mainstream. Especially in the US, corporate media definitely is not really interested in reporting everything. Things are not covered up by black men in suits pulling people in unmarked vans. Not necessarily. It is just as bad if something that should be important news is simply filed under "additional stuff" and sent to page 32 of the newspaper or brought up in the midnight news on TV only...

[Human No More]

An attempt is not a success, if every attempt has such an impact, the would would be extremely different (and probably devoid of all life).
When the things the tinfoil hatters believe in are the sort of "secret mind control/ALIENS/global masonic conspiracy" etc. crap, you can be sure, people would be interested in them, yet they also believe that these giant conspiracies don't have the ability to silence some random nutter posting on the internet (or even just throw a few million his way to keep quiet, if there are people who would miss them).

Yes, media has its own biases, from leftist to right wing, from authoritarian to libertarian, but that cross-section itself is what means that nothing goes unnoticed, especially when combined with how traditional media is being almost supplanted by new forms. While you won't see much on the News Of The World phone cracking scandal from Murdoch's papers, you certainly do from everyone else.

Any organisation, as it grows, in size and influence, will not be able to control everything. If something should be known, it becomes known, all it takes is a single disgruntled employee with 5 seconds of opportunity (e.g. Cablegate, or the leak of Australia's secret censorship list).