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10-05-2010, 06:52 AM
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10-06-2010, 12:50 AM
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Again, I the number of people we have is secondary to how much we consume. Like you said, we need to be more aware of our impacts in daily life. I believe if there is going to be a solution, it will come from the people, not a legislature. A new social paradigm needs to begin from society itself. One where people find for themselves that they can't buy their worth and instead, find satisfaction knowing they are leaving this world better then they found it.
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10-05-2010, 06:40 AM
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Can somebody confirm this for me?
I heard that in one of the countries in Asia, I think it might be China, you're only allowed to have a certain amount of children because of the population. Does anybody know anything about this?
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10-05-2010, 07:50 AM
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I can't count the number of news articles or films I've seen that have a negative outlook on this law. It's inhuman, and I think anyone who supports even the notion that such a law be held over the population of the world should get some serious therapy.
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10-05-2010, 10:29 AM
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One can just ask oneself what is the alternative in a country like China who was on the verge of collapsing from its own demographic pressure? What is the alternative for India if the population will continue to rise (already now Indians are colonizing other peoples land and drown them in a flood of people as can be seen on the Andaman islands, where the invading Indians have increased in numbers from 25 000 in 1950 to more than 300 000 today, while the aboriginal Andaman population has decreased from around 10 000 to 1000)?
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10-05-2010, 10:40 AM
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China isn't on the verge of collapsing demographically. The only thing "overpopulated" about China are its large cities where the population tends to converge. The other problem is its Communist nature, where the government has a controlled price range over regular worker pay, in that people are willing to make some form of money even if they work for 15 cents an hour.
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10-05-2010, 11:25 AM
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One problem with China concerning demography is that it is indeed a huge country but that not all of its area are good for agriculture, much of it is rather barren, mountains, rocks and deserts. So it is just a part of the country that really has the capacity to produce food to its population. So too much people could have ended in a catastrophe, especially since Chinas agricultural technique had its flaws at the time the regime implemented the one child policy. Today there is actually serious discussions in abandoning that policy, or modify it.
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10-06-2010, 01:49 AM
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I think number of people, and how much they consume are equally important. We're going to reach a point someday where no matter how much we curb our consumption, or how many techno-fixes we implement, where we will no longer be able to advance as a species while still attempting to grow our population. Sure, we can concentrate populations in cities, but those cities will still require electricity, and water, and other infrastructure that inevitably strain the planet's resources.
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10-06-2010, 02:06 AM
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EXACTLY.
There is a whole generation of people who don't realise that everything comes from somewhere. Food doesn't just spawn on the shelves in Tescos, energy comes from somewhere, as do petrol, metal, even wood. THAT is why population isn't limited by how high you can vertically stack people, because you'll run out of resources to SUPPORT that population.
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10-06-2010, 03:23 AM
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Ok, new question. We're looking for ways to accomodate the population now, but how do we make the move towards reducing the population in the long run? How do we break this taboo about it? The mainstream media paints populationism as akin to eugenics, how do we fight this misconception?
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10-06-2010, 03:28 AM
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It's either that, or we wait a couple centuries when we die of starvation or war.
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10-06-2010, 03:37 AM
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That being said we shouldn't let the status quo stand. We have to reduce our consumption in simple ways like recycling more often, buying less unnecessary items, and encouraging companies to go green buy buying greener products. As consumers we vote with our money and determine the direction of the markets. Last edited by Banefull; 10-06-2010 at 03:39 AM.
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10-06-2010, 12:12 PM
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10-06-2010, 03:24 AM
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We are NOT in any danger of a food crisis anytime soon. We currently grow more than enough food to properly feed everyone 2000 calories. Unfortunately, however, with the way the economy works, most of the food isn't allocated to everyone who needs it. We only utilize a very small portion of our total capacity to grow food. We could feed a population of 20 billion if the need arose but satisfying other demands for luxuries or energy is a whole different matter. The Earth can feed everyone but if the entire Earth's population consumed nonessential products and energy like the average inhabitant of the developed world, then the ecosystem would utterly collapse.
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10-06-2010, 03:30 AM
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If they had to choose between: A)supporting a smaller population, while keeping luxuries, or B) going with less, to allow more people to inhabit the planet, I'm pretty sure most would choose the first one.
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