Your Opinion on the Sea Shepherds

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

The Sea Shepherds are a nonprofit. Even with the Discovery TV deal, they operate at a loss. No one in Sea Shepherd is in it for money.

Fame, glory, attention. You don't get these things if you're not extreme.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

If they can reason it out, then I'd assume they have good reason for it. There are area's that it is allowed to whale in, the issue here is, a boarder dispute on where the whaling grounds end and the sanctuary begins.

Antarctica is not even near Japan so they have no business there in the first place. And whales are endangered animals which existence are threatened worldwide, it is also a common resource that japan has no right to plunder. Also whales are sentient (at least relatively) beings that one also should abstain from hunting out of ethical reasons.

Originally Posted by Aihwa

And then they go loose all credibility by attacking the vessels of another country. This is why terrorism becomes such a problem, you get into this "the end justifies the means" mindset. That goes against the teachings of almost every philosophical and religious group.

(oh, you're forgetting they also make money on their TV deal, for profit terrorists, new concept there.)

Sea Shepherd is no terrorists. They just safeguard living creatures. In order to save lives one sometimes must use some unconventional means. It is not like they are bombing the whalers boats (as the French did with Greenpeaces ship) or shooting at them with harpoons (as some whalers have done against activists rubber boats).

And they live by donations, and if they can get some money from TV deals it ofcourse also benefits their actions and give them better economic resources to save lives.

[Human No More]

I agree about not hunting any sentient beings, but nobody can prove their sentience.

Nobody has shot at anyone in this as far as I know, although Sea Shepherd have attacked ships with chemical weapons.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Human No More

I agree about not hunting any sentient beings, but nobody can prove their sentience.

Still they are disappearing, and while politicians and researchers and others disuss ethical and moral implications, or if one could consider whales sentient or semi sentient they will dissappear.

Not so strange that Michelle Rodriguez and others become somewhat frustrated and want to take direct action.

Originally Posted by Human No More

Nobody has shot at anyone in this as far as I know, although Sea Shepherd have attacked ships with chemical weapons.

Whalers have shot against Greenpeace rubber boats that have positioned themselves between whales and hunters. The hunters wanted to shoot the whales and they did risk to shoot even if the harpoon just missed the activist with around one meter and the harpoon line knocked down activists in the boats.

[Human No More]

Sorry, but you can't complain about being shot at when directly running into the line of fire, as much as I dislike the actual hunting, Sea Shepherd are trying to get someone killed so they can complain.

[Sight Unseen]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Sea Shepherd are trying to get someone killed so they can complain.

No.

Taking risks for something you believe in and becoming a martyr are two very different things.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Sight Unseen

No.

Taking risks for something you believe in and becoming a martyr are two very different things.

Diving in front of an oncoming boat specifically so you can get hit?

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Sorry, but you can't complain about being shot at when directly running into the line of fire, as much as I dislike the actual hunting, Sea Shepherd are trying to get someone killed so they can complain.

In the case I mentioned it was Greenpeace members who were shot on, but generally speaking a shooter has no right to just keep on firing while there are people that can risk being hurt by his fire. Just think if some deer hunter or similar would act that way on land, he would probably get arrested immediately and never be able to regain any licence for keeping guns or hunting again.

[Fosus]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Sorry, but you can't complain about being shot at when directly running into the line of fire

Yes you can, when they should not be shooting at all in the first place.

[Human No More]

Whether or not they should be doesn't come into whose fault it is when someone consciously places themselves in the line of fire - if they choose to, they shouldn't complain about it. If they were making an effort to AVOID being in the line of fire, then they have every right to complain.

[Fosus]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Whether or not they should be doesn't come into whose fault it is when someone consciously places themselves in the line of fire - if they choose to, they shouldn't complain about it.

No. That is wrong. I just told you that is wrong. Try to get it.

Whalers should not be shooting => No one around should be afraid of getting shot.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by Fosus

No. That is wrong. I just told you that is wrong. Try to get it.

Whalers should not be shooting => No one around should be afraid of getting shot.

And we come full circle, again.

"Fight fire with fire."


Truly, a ****ty saying.

[Spock]

I'm going to ram the Yishin Maru with the USS Enterprise. Fight fire with Anti-matter.

Whales are mammals and that's enough to make me concerned over the Japanese operations.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

I'm going to ram the Yishin Maru with the USS Enterprise. Fight fire with Anti-matter.

Whales are mammals and that's enough to make me concerned over the Japanese operations.

This thread's not about that. It's about a group that's using terrorism to further their goals.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

This thread's not about that. It's about a group that's using terrorism to further their goals.

If the goals are just, then I don't see a problem with using terrorism. It's not as if this is hate warfare or religious extremism.