Your Opinion on the Sea Shepherds

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

TEH CORPORATIONS! TEH CORPORATIONS!

And we come to the heart of the matter. You don't like those in power. Let me tell you something friend, I work for one of "teh corporations" and they have shown the most care and concern for me as an individual, than any other person outside my family. Tangent rant, over.

Fun fact, do you know Greenpeace threw the Sea Shepards out of their organization for committing acts of terrorism? In the words of Stephan Colbert, Tip of my hat to Greenpeace for refusing to harbor terrorists.

Noone said that all environmental groups agree of the same methods. Some like Sea Shephard are perhaps less patient. This is not to unusual in different struggles when there are those who want a to go forward fast and hard, and those who want to go forward in a slower, more moderate way. One can always discuss who have the right approach.
But we must not forget that more than often it is the ones in power, auhorities, corporations and similar that use force, and often do it first. Corporations and capitalist enterprises have a long history of using force when they feel their economic interests threatened in some way.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

They throw chemical bombs designed to make a deck at sea unusable. Tbh I'm surprised none of the crews of the Japanese boats have been killed yet. They've boarded the Whalers vessels as publicity stunts, They RAMMED a whaling vessel.

That's not protesting, that's naval warfare.

I am more surprised that not more members of Greenpeace, Sea shephard and others have been killed yet by the pirate-fishers.

[Fosus]

I envy them, those people have a thing worth fighting for.

[Isard]

I have no doubt the seashepards would love a martyr. And the Whalers have shown great restraint. They are the cooler heads in this conflict.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

I have no doubt the seashepards would love a martyr. And the Whalers have shown great restraint. They are the cooler heads in this conflict.

Well, to run over rubberboats with big ships is not great restraint, it is just sheer luck that not more members of environmental organisations have been killed at sea.

[Neytiri.]

I like what they're doing but there tactics suck, They drive around in a dingy trying to throw random objects onto the deck of the other ship while they're helicopter just watches, I say load up the chopper with tear gas and continuously drop it on them. I also think they should try disabling the engines of the other ships. Throwing small objects onto a deck doesn't effect a massive vessel very much.

other than that I think what there doing is great, the cause definitely needs attention.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by redpaintednavi

Well, to run over rubberboats with big ships is not great restraint, it is just sheer luck that not more members of environmental organisations have been killed at sea.

Yeah, they sit in front of large moving vessels. That's real smart. Like I said, I'm surprised that the whalers have shown the restraint they do. They're trying not to kill anybody, but the Sea Shepard's are doing their damnedest to get themselves killed.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Yeah, they sit in front of large moving vessels. That's real smart. Like I said, I'm surprised that the whalers have shown the restraint they do. They're trying not to kill anybody, but the Sea Shepard's are doing their damnedest to get themselves killed.

Well, sometimes it actually seems that some of the hotheads among whalers really want to kill someone.

[Human No More]

Yep... there is an entire international treaty about how ships should move with respect to avoiding collisions, it's the sea shepherd ones that have been causing accidents - the whaling ships have generally attempted to AVOID them despite having ships run across in front of them or turning against their side - a ship is very heavy, and even at a relatively low velocity, has a lot of inertia and is difficult to turn at a moment's notice.
I'm surprised nobody from EITHER side has been killed. Either way would be bad, but I know that either side would use any such happening for all the propaganda value they could.

Both sides are acting like idiots, but in general, it's the sea shepherd ships which are attempting to cause accidents.

The same thing happened between british and icelandic fisherman in the 1970s, with various rammings by both sides which were both deliberate and accidental.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

TEH CORPORATIONS! TEH CORPORATIONS!

And we come to the heart of the matter. You don't like those in power. Let me tell you something friend, I work for one of "teh corporations" and they have shown the most care and concern for me as an individual, than any other person outside my family. Tangent rant, over.

Those who are in power, or belong to corporations are not all inherently evil, but they often have a way to run over those who stand in the way of their political or economical interests.
Also, if politicians really did their job and had the ability to restraint corporations and other economic interests, and, as in the case of whaling and fishing, they listened to the researchers and acted according to that, then probaly we did not need Sea Shephard, Greenpeace or similar organistaions. But as long as economic greed is considered more important than environmental concerns, or in many cases human rights, organisations like Sea Shephard and others are necessary.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by redpaintednavi

Those who are in power, or belong to corporations are not all inherently evil, but they often have a way to run over those who stand in the way of their political or economical interests.
Also, if politicians really did their job and had the ability to restraint corporations and other economic interests, and, as in the case of whaling and fishing, they listened to the researchers and acted according to that, then probaly we did not need Sea Shephard, Greenpeace or similar organistaions. But as long as economic greed is considered more important than environmental concerns, or in many cases human rights, organisations like Sea Shephard and others are necessary.

You mean... They think of themselves first? Oh, the horror.

Just like I think of myself. And so do you. And so does everybody else. Because there is no big brother watching, they only have themselves to rely on. Like now, The whalers cant get help from any governments to shut down the Sea Shepard terror group, they can only endure, and try not to kill anybody, which is what they're trying their best to do.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

You mean... They think of themselves first? Oh, the horror.

Just like I think of myself. And so do you. And so does everybody else. Because there is no big brother watching, they only have themselves to rely on. Like now, The whalers cant get help from any governments to shut down the Sea Shepard terror group, they can only endure, and try not to kill anybody, which is what they're trying their best to do.

Well, everyone think about themselves. But we also must try to strive after thinking about others and about the world that our children and grandchildren shall inherit. They would not think so well about us if we leave them a barren wasteland, depleted of its biological diversity just because of our greed and selfishness.

At least Sea Shephard try to save some of the biodiversity in their own way. If the politicians in Japan and many other countries had been able to agree on stopping the whale hunt and similar desructive activities, then the members of Sea Shephard would not have to come in conflict with anyone (and the organisation would not be necessary at all). Also if politicians could control their own greed and the greed of economic interests, and instead work for a better world, many things would indeed have looked different.

[Isard]

So of course, that validates breaking laws. Breaking laws to stop others from breaking laws is perfectly acceptable! Remember the picture I posted?

Fighting fire with fire. It is a pretty ****ty saying.

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

So of course, that validates breaking laws. Breaking laws to stop others from breaking laws is perfectly acceptable! Remember the picture I posted?

Fighting fire with fire. It is a pretty ****ty saying.

Unfortunately some of the laws are instigated by the same people that destroy the world and corrupts justice.

[Isard]

Originally Posted by redpaintednavi

Unfortunately some of the laws are instigated by the same people that destroy the world and corrupts justice.

That reminds me of a quote from southpark... "I AM ABOVE THE LAW!"

As soon as you start making exceptions, it all falls apart.