Proof Of God In An Email?

[Eltu]

That's what we're supposed to debate.

[neytirifanboy]

Well, for me the e-mail prooves nothing.

Words are not the proof of God. words are not divine. They are the tools of man. And if a perfect God were to use a form of communication, he/she would using a perfect language, not the ambiguous,inefficient and transient human languages.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by neytirifanboy

...if a perfect God were to use a form of communication, he/she would using a perfect language, not the ambiguous,inefficient and transient human languages.

According to the Bible, that's how it originally was...

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

According to the Bible, that's how it originally was...

Yet that doesn't mean it is because a book of dubious origin is debatable in its content.

[Banefull]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Yet that doesn't mean it is because a book of dubious origin is debatable in its content.

I am a bit confused with some of the responses in this thread... Speaking from what I've been taught and from what the concensus within my own denomination is (more fundamentalist groups may have different views), we don't "think" someone wrote the Bible, we know where most of the books originated from. We don't know the exact names but thats irrevelent. There is good and substantial historical, archeaological, and scientific evidence for when, what reason, and what kind of person authored certain portions.

Could anyone enlighten me as to why someone would think its authorship is dubious?

[neytirifanboy]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

According to the Bible, that's how it originally was...

That is true. But of course at that time there were no human languages because there were no humans.

Just the brightness of the stars, the creak of the trees, the wind and the sound of the waves. That is the true language of God.

Nothing written by a human in a human language can come from GGod, and thus cannot prove God. In my opinion at least.

[Woodsprite]

Originally Posted by Human No More

Yet that doesn't mean it is because a book of dubious origin is debatable in its content.

Originally Posted by neytirifanboy

That is true. But of course at that time there were no human languages because there were no humans.

Just the brightness of the stars, the creak of the trees, the wind and the sound of the waves. That is the true language of God.

Nothing written by a human in a human language can come from GGod, and thus cannot prove God. In my opinion at least.

The quote from neytirifanboy was more what I was looking for... HNM, to avoid religious war, that's why I specifically worded my post, "ACCORDING TO the Bible". As for retranslation blah blah blah, we have the original Greek and Hebrew texts, so... ?

neytirifanboy: I was thinking more along the lines of when the first people on earth were united by one language. ...Whatever it was.

[neytirifanboy]

Originally Posted by Woodsprite

neytirifanboy: I was thinking more along the lines of when the first people on earth were united by one language. ...Whatever it was.

Yes. I am aware of that. But it's something I don't adhere to.

In my opinion, as soon as the first ape opened his mouth to speak, it was all over.

[Banefull]

Trying to prove God through scientific means is pointless. If we knew that God existed, then it would not be called Faith. I believe in God but I do not accept this email or its premise as proof of His existence.

Originally Posted by Neytiri.

God is a hypothetical entity, that was written in a book that no one can prove was written by the people it says it was written by, how could you possibly prove it is true in an email?

I would be interested to know as to whom you think these supposed authors of the Bible are. (This coming from a person who has studied ancient history and textual and historical criticism).

[Loverofnature]

YouTube - 1 of 7 Perry Marshall - God, DNA, Origin of Life

video of him, it seems that it is not just some scammer guy, thing

and he has a website

cosmicfingerprints.com

[redpaintednavi]

Originally Posted by Loverofnature

YouTube - 1 of 7 Perry Marshall - God, DNA, Origin of Life

video of him, it seems that it is not just some scammer guy, thing

and he has a website

cosmicfingerprints.com

Oh, he really seems just like a scammer guy, thing. Just one more of these ID types.

[Human No More]

What I mean is that whoever wrote it (not counting all the times it's been censored, edited, translated, rewritten, revised, updated and retranslated more times than Wikipedia), it should not be taken as factual without evidence.

[ZenitYerkes]

Ah people, yet another one?

I don't understand the point of proving or disproving the existence of God, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Moon landings, whether Elvis is alive or not... It's turned something of people with an excess of spare time.

Faith is irrational, it's taking things from the "Non-provable stuff" box to the "True knowledge" box. And if you need to base yourself on DNA, the God print on the Evolution theory or anything else to do that move -that just shows how little faith you actually have.

And does people really expect to change their creed after reading a chain email? "Oh this is so true, I'm going to my nearest church to get baptised next Sunday! I'm so excited -finally, the Truth!".

If it were a month of meetings with the pastor or one of those revelations after an accident, I could believe someone said this; but come on...

[Mune]

Originally Posted by ZenitYerkes

Ah people, yet another one?

I don't understand the point of proving or disproving the existence of God, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Moon landings, whether Elvis is alive or not... It's turned something of people with an excess of spare time.

Faith is irrational, it's taking things from the "Non-provable stuff" box to the "True knowledge" box. And if you need to base yourself on DNA, the God print on the Evolution theory or anything else to do that move -that just shows how little faith you actually have.

And does people really expect to change their creed after reading a chain email? "Oh this is so true, I'm going to my nearest church to get baptised next Sunday! I'm so excited -finally, the Truth!".

If it were a month of meetings with the pastor or one of those revelations after an accident, I could believe someone said this; but come on...

Very well said.

I don't understand a lot about why religion does a lot of what it does, but one thing I've never personally understood is the idea behind trying to desperately to get any evidence.

You can't. You never will. Not solid evidence.

If there was ANY evidence that a god existed, as someone rightly said before in the post- It wouldn't be called faith. Every religious person can go around saying that all the trees are proof that god exists, and the *look around you, god is everything.* statement, but I'm awaiting to be contradicted on the point that I could do that with anything.

I digress, the original point I was trying to make was; Nobody is going to prove god through an e-mail. Nobody. And like Zenit so rightly said, or rather, I probably misinterpreted it;

If you're trying this hard to scavenge for evidence on every possible premise, it just shows how little faith you actually have.

I mean, I saw a post Yahoo Answers once which was "There have been organelles inside our cells that look to be in the shape of a cross. Could this be god saying something?"

No! It really isn't. It's sheer coincidence.. It's like me saying something like "I believe in the flying spaghetti monster..." (Pastafarianism)

"Ohh.... My cell's plasma membranes are made of lipids that are oddly shaped like spaghetti.... It's the FSM trying to gain my faith! I will believe!"

Before I turn too undiplomatic, I'll end it there. Nobody can prove that there is a god to me through means of abstract things like human language, numbers.

[Woodsprite]

lol No, no. I mean "which book?" as in "Which holy book do you refer to?" like the Vedas, or the Koran, or the Bible, or the Book of Mormon, etc. etc.