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Old 11-10-2010, 02:30 AM
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Another known reality check, ALL stats are skewed or 'biased' by which ever side or whomever is doing the study!
I have a thought experiment for you: Imagine that there is some issue on which you wish to find out the truth. Whatever preference you might have as to an outcome is entirely outweighed by your commitment to discovering what is. You do everything in your power and the scientific method to get that data and in the end, are satisfied that you have found the true facts.

How would you publish your results so that a reader could be satisfied that no confirmation bias took place?
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:34 AM
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Ok .. yeah maybe this thread, does need to get moved to the debate forum,

Looks like the discussion is lively and heated!



(notice the smile, lets all take it in good stride)
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:39 AM
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It would be illuminating if it were possible to quantify the point at which the risk of entering the medical system became worth it. Just setting foot in a hospital carries a risk, not the least of which is, infection. (The "superbugs" got started in hospitals.) Going for an innocuous procedure carries a measurable risk of serious consequences including death due to medical error. It would be extremely unwise to go for procedures or even many types of test just for the heck of it.

So theoretically it would be possible to compare the (stochastical) risk of foregoing a procedure or test to the (empirical) risk of entering the medical system and decide which was, uh, riskier. Some of the doctors in Canada are getting this message and advising their patients accordingly; fewer so in the United States since they stand to make more money from procedures and tests there. But it's entirely a subjective call at the moment. Objective quantification would be difficult, but not impossible.
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:13 AM
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Ok, we already know it, at so many levels, but for me yesterday, experienced another reminder!

So brand new Auntie, naturally excited, stops up at the hospital to go visit her new niece, and of course my brother and sister-in-law! A time of joy and celebration, of family support, of sharing this miracle of life with those closest to you!

At least that's what it should be right?

NO!

Hospital Policies, sighted as in the best interest of Mom and new baby, don't allow anyone but Father and Grandparents to visit, even when the new Mom and Dad indicate otherwise. No apologies after all the non-personal medical staff, obviously have a job to do, and know what is in the best interest for your relatives!

No wonder we are dying as a species, as a whole!

I just ......

society is so ****ed!
No fu*king way!!! this is very shocking me.

wow, today if you want something without society control, you really need to go live very very FAR FAR away deep in the wood then the government will never know you, in other ways it's impossible.

DAME IT!"!!
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Old 11-10-2010, 06:23 AM
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:44 PM
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alright, just gonna put my two cents in, very short too lol. i know men shouldnt be discriminated against, but neither should women. we have been mistreated for CENTURIES! thats why we have feminism. it is not sexism if we have been mistreated for so damn long (not getting angry at anyone or trying to argue, this is just an opinion lol)
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:57 PM
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So you justify it based on perceived past actions? Wouldn't it make sense to focus on the present instead?
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:02 PM
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i would if people weren't so damn mean to us
i have alot of beliefs when it comes to women, so i dont think anyone can change my mind about it
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i would if people weren't so damn mean to us
i have alot of beliefs when it comes to women, so i dont think anyone can change my mind about it

Who's being mean?
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:57 PM
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No wonder we are dying as a species, as a whole!

I just ......

society is so ****ed!
thats i bit of a overreaction
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Old 11-11-2010, 01:37 PM
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Well said. A lot of perceived (yes, perceived) slights get taken too seriously while too many people think sexism in the other direction is acceptable.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:56 PM
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On one side of the coin, I spent the day in ER acknowledging yes I am in many ways grateful for the medical system. I had a dizzy spell and almost fainted at work this morning, ghostly white, cold sweat, shakes, the whole works. So spent 6 hours in ER going through a whole series of tests. On the other side though, after all that all that they could tell me was they don't really know what it was, maybe a hypoglycemia episode, but they are not certain. Otherwise I'm perfectly healthy as far as they could tell! This is why I don't depend on the Medical System, cause its usually the same response I get(for me), and why I turn to Alternative Medicine for more concrete answers. Alternative Medicine is more likely to help me 'root' out the underlying issues, including physiological responses to grief, stress, etc. Everything is mind/body/spirit connected!
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Old 11-17-2010, 02:26 AM
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On one side of the coin, I spent the day in ER acknowledging yes I am in many ways grateful for the medical system. I had a dizzy spell and almost fainted at work this morning, ghostly white, cold sweat, shakes, the whole works. So spent 6 hours in ER going through a whole series of tests. On the other side though, after all that all that they could tell me was they don't really know what it was, maybe a hypoglycemia episode, but they are not certain. Otherwise I'm perfectly healthy as far as they could tell! This is why I don't depend on the Medical System, cause its usually the same response I get(for me), and why I turn to Alternative Medicine for more concrete answers. Alternative Medicine is more likely to help me 'root' out the underlying issues, including physiological responses to grief, stress, etc. Everything is mind/body/spirit connected!
Yep. I had numerous tests for an GI tract problem some years ago, including the infamous barium enema (nowhere near as bad as the colonoscopy), and in the end they had no clue whatsoever. It went away after I started improving my diet and exercising more. Not once were either of those suggestions made by the numerous doctors I saw.
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Old 11-17-2010, 04:40 AM
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:07 PM
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I've always made things work fine with just myself and occasionally real medical science, but glad you hear you feel better... I think that's the root cause, it's whatever a person thinks will work, as the body's regenerative abilities are certainly amazing, as shown by people on placebos who are suddenly 'cured'.
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