Multiculturalism is an 'utter failure'

[Isard]

Originally Posted by SaphirJD

ok... a clear mind and the knowledge that being attacked is mostly wrong helps - but anyway it would also help so make things simple, really.. the amount of rules partly is just scary

Did you have your mandatory wiener schnitzel eggroll and taco this morning good sir?

NO?!

U RACIST BASTARD!

[Elyannia]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Did you have your mandatory wiener schnitzel eggroll and taco this morning good sir?

NO?!

U RACIST BASTARD!

LOL omg I laughed so hard just now

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Aihwa

Did you have your mandatory wiener schnitzel eggroll and taco this morning good sir?

NO?!

U RACIST BASTARD!

You're one hell of a visionary Aihwa.

[SaphirJD]

ok, not THAT simple its like always finding a middle way

[SaphirJD]

At least Aihwa shows the reducing complicated things to simple ones

Exactly that needs the world, but only when its in a bit more positive direction

[Mika]

"Multiculturalism", as obvious by various perspectives already mentioned in this thread, has become a multi-layered term, and I think because it means different things for different people, is what adds to the multi-misunderstandings and contributed to the loss of its original core essence.

Yes it has become a politically correct term, it has also become a 'financially' loaded concept as well, which in my opinion is what has undermined a lot of its holistic meaning, for so many others. Really at the core I have found from experience, most people are frustrated with the term because as 'tax payers' in a world that is going through economic collapse, like so many other perceived 'non-concrete' commodities (like what I mean is the arts in education, etc, if that makes sense), that it becomes marginalized with the rest of the 'non-tangible' categories. When money is tight, and a lot of 'funding' dollars get spent on the concept of promoting 'multiculturalism' of course backlash is inevitable. It despairs me that its one of the first things that people want 'cut from the budget' when times are tough.

Multiculturalism taken back to its core root essence is simply meant as "I SEE YOU" really, in other words about as others have noted understanding and tolerance. That's All. Am I capable of looking past my own world view, my own limited filters, my own bias, my own superstitions, etc, to be willing to listen and learn and open my perspectives. Even when that means the possibility or actuality of significant changes to the 'institutionalized societal structures' and myself, my comfort zones, and my 'way of life'. Change and Growth as a resultant outcome of other cultures influx into another culture are inevitable. And we all know 'change' especially that significant is quite frighting for most! But without that influx, that seed or spark for growth, a culture that does not evolve .. stagnates!

What is needed is to get past the 'exclusivity' barriers and look for ways to promote 'unity' and 'DIVERSITY'!

[Mika]

Most of my experience with 'multiculturalism' has been significantly within the elementary and high school education system. The issues that arise are filled with complexities and challenges that are not 'easily' overcome nor answered.

For example, challenges that arise, and questions that need to examined and discussed, that become fields of confrontation instead of opportunities for dialogue, have a lot to do with ethics, values, morals, and the perceived polarity between what is supportive of ones individual rights and what is supportive of the 'whole'!

* ask yourself where do you stand, or what are your feelings regarding:

* Islamic/Muslim Girls being allowed to wear the Hajib at school?
* Sikh Boys allowed to carry/wear kirpan and turbans in school?
* Christmas Concerts and other Religious symbolic Holidays historically being replaced with Multi-Cultural Celebrations (terms) such as Festival of Lights or elimination of all celebrations?
* Non-celebration of such days as 'Halloween'?
* Religious practices such as saying the "Lord's Prayer' eliminated or replaced with Multi-Faith Prayers, Quotes, Reflections?
* Inclusion of diverse special needs children within the classroom or specialized classrooms?
* Specialized classrooms for girls only to encourage girls in maths and sciences?
* Culturally responsive modifications to lesson plans?
* If the majority of children in a classroom setting of a particular culture, which takes the significance .. the majority or the minority?

In other words those above are just a small sampling of what has needed to be examined in light of 'multiculturalism' in the education system. There is no 'simple' answers, nor is there the ability to keep 'multiculturalism' isolated within our communities as a personal practice notion!

Another personal experience: At my oldest daughters graduation, where for many years the school population had included an equal proportion of 'First Nations' students, was the first time that Aboriginal Ceremonies was included as part of the whole Graduation Ceremony (and they had to challenge their peers and the school to be inclusive). Now it has become simply the expected 'norm'. The resultant change although perceived as threatening in the beginning became an appreciated positive for the school and the community!

[Human No More]

Originally Posted by Mika

Most of my experience with 'multiculturalism' has been significantly within the elementary and high school education system. The issues that arise are filled with complexities and challenges that are not 'easily' overcome nor answered.

For example, challenges that arise, and questions that need to examined and discussed, that become fields of confrontation instead of opportunities for dialogue, have a lot to do with ethics, values, morals, and the perceived polarity between what is supportive of ones individual rights and what is supportive of the 'whole'!

Easy enough to answer... I oppose public religious displays because it should be a private thing (and particularly in the case of forcing women to hide their faces, which is simply oppression). For the same reason there should be no prayers. If people believe in that stuff, they can do it in their own time. Sexual segregation is a bad idea as people need to learn about both. As for holidays, the answer is to keep them as public holidays in a cultural sense and give people the option of actually following them in whatever way they consider appropriate, or not.

People have a right to their own identity, but nobody has a right to demand special privileges or to impose on others. That's why the best solution is to keep private matters private.

[ZenitYerkes]

I believe everyone should have his own beliefs and hold his own symbols and traditions; even in public. That's multiculturalism for me -everyone keeps their identity and expresses it as a form of freedom of speech and thought.

It's not monoculturalism -everyone has the same culture: adopt it or be an outcast.

That will to make anything homogeneous and uniform seems laughable to me, it won't happen unless you force anyone to believe in the same things and practice the same traditions.

What already happens, sadly.

[Mika]

In the end I think 'Determinism' not 'MultiCulturalism' is what we are really discussing. Back to 'whom determines/decides for whom' what is in the best interest of whom or the whole!

And 'Determinism' tends to be blinded by personal biasas, that's also the sad tragedy!

[Spock]

Interesting contributions, I think part of the problem here as well is extremism. There are a lot of extremists who like to ruin it for everyone else which is largely responsible for the break down in trust that we see in multicultural societies. These are 'bad people' that simply shouldn't be let out of their country of origin, rapists, welfare bludgers ect ect.... I know in New Zealand we have a lot of those kind of people coming into the country for some reason, they seem to be able to trick immigration New Zealand.

Be all end all there are many, many wonderful people from all cultures who would be happy to co-operate and try and make things work for everyone. Eventually I'm certain a dominant hybrid culture will emerge from the interaction, but I would also tout that as being a long way away, perhaps thousands of years away.

I also believe that strong empiracle education will solve a lot of problems, 100% worldwide literacy and numeracy would make the world a much better place. I'm also the kind of person to confront problems head on, those extrimists that ruin it for everyone should be hunted down and executed where they stand.

I have here an article that shows how multiculturalism isn't working and how immigration has failed in its task by bringing in the wrong people (beware it's disturbing):

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...ave_in_sweden/

[joeylovesgaia]

Oy vey, that link is a prime example of hate on hate. This forum is implicitly Gaianist, but how benevolent can Nature be when **** like this is part of human nature? Bottom line is that violent *******s who rape and murder will do so no matter what culture they are raised in. They will twist the kindest of creeds to excuse their lust and blood-lust. When they end up ruling the culture, BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

However, are you sure this site you linked to is trustworthy in its reporting? This article cites one from a less biased news source so I don't doubt it, but overall...sounds almost like a white supremacist site. But not quite.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by joeylovesgaia

Oy vey, that link is a prime example of hate on hate. This forum is implicitly Gaianist, but how benevolent can Nature be when **** like this is part of human nature? Bottom line is that violent *******s who rape and murder will do so no matter what culture they are raised in. They will twist the kindest of creeds to excuse their lust and blood-lust. When they end up ruling the culture, BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

However, are you sure this site you linked to is trustworthy in its reporting? This article cites one from a less biased news source so I don't doubt it, but overall...sounds almost like a white supremacist site. But not quite.

You're right, we need to fight the twisted aspects of global culture.

About the site, I have found the same article on many sites, if you want me to reference them I can. I have also found A LOT! about how multiculturalism is tearing Sweden apart in particular. And how Swedes will become a minority in 25 years. I don't want to say whether this is good or bad but they better be letting in the right people otherwise Sweden 'will' turn into a failed state.

[Advent]

Multiculturalism itself in my opinion isn't bad, it's just that there's a large number of extremists of different cultures. Then, their actions are blamed on that culture's population in a country.

Example: WTC Incident.

If we had only the ordinary, respectful people of these cultures and races, there wouldn't be a problem. But that's not the case. Allowing in another culture is opening a mixed bag, and there's the problem.

[Fkeu'itan]

HNM, I suppose the point I would raise here is the fact that you don't have to follow any of the practices that come with religion, so abolishing them doesn't affect you either way.

It does, however for those who do follow a religion.