Imagine if I (Spock) had an avatar.

[Spock]

Share your opinion on what it would be like if I was part of the avatar program. How would I go at negotiation. By the way I would kick those viperwolf's ass.

Please have a go at speculating what it would be like.

[Gunny]

After venturing into the forest of Pandora, Spock is knocked unconscious by a titanothere and then eaten by a thanator

Hahahaha!

[Stanley_9875]

Oooo not the best way to start off on Pandora being eaten... Remember what the colonel said about going soft on Pandora

[Apollo]

You would see the mountains, and find it Illogical.


XD

[Spock]

I doubt it, my survival skills allied with logic can defeat any jungle. Or jungle animal. I never 'venture' into the jungle, but rather plan my trip ahead and account for multiple variables.

Edit: Apollo, as an experienced science officer I would throw together a preliminary theory on the mountains immediately. Not find it illogical.

[Gunny]

You would come across so many things and delve into so much thought that your brain explodes!!!

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Gunny

You would come across so many things and delve into so much thought that your brain explodes!!!

That is your second attempt to illicet an emotional response.

[Gunny]

It is my attempt to have FUN! Being serious all the time takes the fun out of everything.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Gunny

It is my attempt to have FUN! Being serious all the time takes the fun out of everything.

You wouldn't like me then.

[Gunny]

I know in your instance, you have some camping experience or being outdoors in the woods type of experience I believe from your post. Correct me if I am wrong.

However, for other people reading, planning, reading things, evaluating things, etc. are not the best ways to always go about things. Nothing always goes according to plan. You can learn everything from books, and no matter how many situations you think of something will always come from nowhere unexpectedly. I guarantee you that if you tell two men to fix a car and give them X amount of time to prepare, one man is only allowed to read books, the other can not read books but gets to practice on the car all he wants both having the same general knowledge at the beginning. The man with hands on experience will finish repairs faster than the one reading.

The best things are done on a whim. To say that you would undeniably do better on Pandora than say Jake is not a plausible argument to make. I enjoy the fact that you bring new thoughts and invoke intellectual thinking. You must be realistic about things. Saying, I would take down those viperwolves no problem is just ludicrous.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Gunny

I know in your instance, you have some camping experience or being outdoors in the woods type of experience I believe from your post. Correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, infact I just got back from a stream study deep in highcountry bushland.

Originally Posted by Gunny

However, for other people reading, planning, reading things, evaluating things, etc. are not the best ways to always go about things.

It all depends on what type of person you are.

Originally Posted by Gunny

Nothing always goes according to plan. You can learn everything from books, and no matter how many situations you think of something will always come from nowhere unexpectedly.

I know, but in my case I would choose to deal with the problem through logic. That goes for both me and my alter-ego.

Originally Posted by Gunny

I guarantee you that if you tell two men to fix a car and give them X amount of time to prepare, one man is only allowed to read books, the other can not read books but gets to practice on the car all he wants both having the same general knowledge at the beginning. The man with hands on experience will finish repairs faster than the one reading.

This can only vaguely be applied to the situation in question.

Originally Posted by Gunny

The best things are done on a whim. To say that you would undeniably do better on Pandora than say Jake is not a plausible argument to make. I enjoy the fact that you bring new thoughts and invoke intellectual thinking. You must be realistic about things. Saying, I would take down those viperwolves no problem is just ludicrous.

I have to disagree. Logic offers a 'serenity' the ability to deal with the situation at hand without panicking, but rather staying calm and acting accordingly. Hey, Spock is an extremely experienced martial arts expert, give him an avatar and my bets are that he could take on almost anything on pandora and win.

[txen]

With the Vulcan mind meld thing an avatar would not be necessary. One mind meld at the tree of souls to Eywa is all it would take. However, it would not be without repercussions. Eywa would show him the path allowing transcendence beyond Kohlinar. Transference to an avatar body would allow the one formally known as Spock to integrate into Navi society.

I think that sounds good.

I'm an engineer so I use logic to figure out complicated situations on a daily basis. I let my emotion flow in interpersonal relations. It's a lot more fun.

[Gunny]

It all depends on what type of person you are.

I agree that it does depend on the type of person you are, some learn better by doing and vise versa. However, give a guy a book and then give him some real time experience and he will be much better at whatever task had he just read the book.

I have to disagree. Logic offers a 'serenity' the ability to deal with the situation at hand without panicking, but rather staying calm and acting accordingly. Hey, Spock is an extremely experienced martial arts expert, give him an avatar and my bets are that he could take on almost anything on pandora and win.

If you want to refer to things changing based on the type of person than this applies also. For you logic offers that "serenity", but not always for others. I know plenty of people that do not panic in situations, rather see it as a challenge and learn as they go if that makes sense.

Also, I understand that you see Spock as your alter-ego but you are not Spock. As much as you can relate to him you are not a crazy martial arts expert aided by the perfect situations from TV and movies. This is a silly thing to bring into this.

My point overall, is that with no experience of being on Pandora, you are subject to anything. No book can teach you how to get away from a Thanatore without being killed, no book teaches you how to get away from a pack of viper wolves. This is knowledge that can only be gained from hands on experience.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by txen

With the Vulcan mind meld thing an avatar would not be necessary. One mind meld at the tree of souls to Eywa is all it would take. However, it would not be without repercussions. Eywa would show him the path allowing transcendence beyond Kohlinar. Transference to an avatar body would allow the one formally known as Spock to integrate into Navi society.

Are you touting Eywa as being wiser than Spock. I doubt such, as Eywa has been limited to Pandora for eons, only experiencing and understanding that environment. Spock has traveled the galaxy and interacted with hundreds of different species, therefore allowing a greater understanding of the universe. In my eyes the Na'vi society is not perfect.

Originally Posted by Gunny

I agree that it does depend on the type of person you are, some learn better by doing and vise versa. However, give a guy a book and then give him some real time experience and he will be much better at whatever task had he just read the book.

He would also understand the mechanics of his actions. Some people are naturally pragmatic, while others are theoretical, when these two types of people work hand in hand, great things happen. What I'm saying is that you can give him a book and practical experience, but he will learn better from either one of those, rarely both. If you go up to a theoretical astrochemist and say, "Hey fix my car dude". It will be a lot harder for him to learn to do so rather than someone who was born to be a mechanic.

Originally Posted by Gunny

If you want to refer to things changing based on the type of person than this applies also. For you logic offers that "serenity", but not always for others. I know plenty of people that do not panic in situations, rather see it as a challenge and learn as they go if that makes sense.

But logic rarely faults someone in a situation, where-as emotional discourse does so often.

Originally Posted by Gunny

Also, I understand that you see Spock as your alter-ego but you are not Spock. As much as you can relate to him you are not a crazy martial arts expert aided by the perfect situations from TV and movies. This is a silly thing to bring into this.

Thats right, to say I am Spock is purely for the amusement of the community. If you don't like it I will comply and cease to do so.

Originally Posted by Gunny

My point overall, is that with no experience of being on Pandora, you are subject to anything. No book can teach you how to get away from a Thanatore without being killed, no book teaches you how to get away from a pack of viper wolves. This is knowledge that can only be gained from hands on experience.

You are infact being bias. Knowledge can be gained throgh learning whether it be practical or otherwise. What I am trying to say is that a logical entity would have a higher chance of survival on pandora as it would not be emotionally compromised. Therefore circumventing the consequences that being emotionally compromised would cause. A highly emotional being may act rashly or instinctually which may infact put the being at further fault. This can happen through logic, but rarely.

Try looking at the world through logical eyes.

[Sacred Tsahaylu]

Originally Posted by Apollo

You would see the mountains, and find it Illogical.

This
A Vulcan S.O. in an avatar body, now that's a potent mix