Maybe 3 more Avatar movies?

[Clarke]

I don't really want to see that either, but that's mostly because it'd be a bit of a genre shift. Avatar is not space opera.

[Niri Te]

He may bring the RDA up on other moons, or nearby planets, to literally strip them bare, taking a hunk of the profits, and building an invasion force for Pandora. NAAAH, Eywa wouldn't allow it, and JC, (Eywa's "boss") wouldn't WRECK his own message.
I think it would be cool if in the story, about a decade later, the humans finally manage to pull it off, and destroy the Ozone layer, Tsunami's and earthquakes follow, causing massive fires, and chemical spills, jacking greenhouse right through the ceiling, and within a decade, the earth's surface temperature resembles that of Venus. Just before the last humans die, three ISV's head for Pandora, and the Human's hat and egos in hand BEG the Na'vi to ask Eywa to allow the last 150 humans from Earth alive to please live on Pandora, to learn the ways of the Na'vi.
Niri Te

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

He may bring the RDA up on other moons, or nearby planets, to literally strip them bare, taking a hunk of the profits, and building an invasion force for Pandora. NAAAH, Eywa wouldn't allow it, and JC, (Eywa's "boss") wouldn't WRECK his own message.
I think it would be cool if in the story, about a decade later, the humans finally manage to pull it off, and destroy the Ozone layer, Tsunami's and earthquakes follow, causing massive fires, and chemical spills, jacking greenhouse right through the ceiling, and within a decade, the earth's surface temperature resembles that of Venus. Just before the last humans die, three ISV's head for Pandora, and the Human's hat and egos in hand BEG the Na'vi to ask Eywa to allow the last 150 humans from Earth alive to please live on Pandora, to learn the ways of the Na'vi.
Niri Te

You know that neither ozone, earthquakes, or interstellar war work like that, don't you?

[Niri Te]

Originally Posted by Clarke

You know that neither ozone, earthquakes, or interstellar war work like that, don't you?

Gee clarke, I didn't KNOW that you have been through ALL THREE, you are such an Expert on how they might work in any situation.
Well,lets, see. Earthquake off the cost of Japan causes Tsunami, and TAKES OUT a nuke plant. A fair amount of radiation leaked from that, but no where NEAR what happened in Russia several decades ago. A few decades before THAT was the Chemical release into the atmosphere in India, How many did that one kill?
NOW let's just assume that we can keep Iran and Israel from trading their nuclear weapons back and forth, THAT scenario could do some SERIOUS damage to the environment even IF it did stay local, which it would NOT, but let's just say they we can get the Muslims and Jews to all sit in a corner and sing "KUM-BAH-YAH.
The Arctic ice is disappearing at an amazing rate, not storyline, REAL WORLD. hurricanes and tornados are beginning to get pretty frequent and more powerful. Hurricanes are slow enough that we get plenty of warning, and can "harden" industries for their impact, but over the last few years the number and strength of tornados just in this Country have been growing. Let's just say that a "super Cell" develops over Houston, and spawns two F5's and an F3, the F5's rip through the refineries, tearing them apart, causing massive fires, and spills, and the F3 hits the oil transfer facility, tearing out transfer lines from tankers, More spills, and, not caused by the tornadoes, but a week later the "big one, hits the San Andreas Fault, causing several others along the Pacific "Rim of Fire" to also let go within a month. Care to guess what the earthquakes and their resultant Tidal waves would do to coastal oil transfer ports, nuclear reactors in poorer countries that DON'T build them like they are built in the more advanced countries?
HELL just the oil fires that Saddam's army set off in the desert after we kicked his *$$ in Desert *$$ whipping round one, did tremendous damage to the environment.
All of this is not discussing the possibility of several volcanoes erupting. The Geologic record of the blast at Etna can be seen in the strata around the world.
This is just real quick as I am typing it. If things went off the deep end on this planet, things would get very, very bad very very fast.
Back to the Muslims and the Jews. No one knows exactly how close the Iranians ARE to having their own weapon, but their rockets are a LOT more reliable that the North Korean ones. Imagine what would happen if North Korea smuggled a few warheads into Iran, for the Iranians to mount on THEIR rockets. THEY don't NEED to build one.
Niri Te

[Niri Te]

I think that we have a couple of physicists and chemists on this site, I have a question. Has anyone ever done a study to figure out what if any new chemicals or compounds would be created in the heat of a nuclear fireball if a weapon were detonated directly over a city with huge oil refining, and oil storage fields?
Niri Te

[Clarke]

Originally Posted by Niri Te

Gee clarke, I didn't KNOW that you have been through ALL THREE, you are such an Expert on how they might work in any situation.

I have a fairly good (and extensible) knowledge of chemistry, geology, and mechanical engineering, if that's what you mean. In the scenario of interstellar war, the physics is the only thing we have to go on, and they suggest that wars across space are vastly different from every other type of conflict in history. Experience of Vietnam doesn't help there.

Well,lets, see. Earthquake off the cost of Japan causes Tsunami, and TAKES OUT a nuke plant. A fair amount of radiation leaked from that, but no where NEAR what happened in Russia several decades ago. A few decades before THAT was the Chemical release into the atmosphere in India, How many did that one kill?
NOW let's just assume that we can keep Iran and Israel from trading their nuclear weapons back and forth, THAT scenario could do some SERIOUS damage to the environment even IF it did stay local, which it would NOT, but let's just say they we can get the Muslims and Jews to all sit in a corner and sing "KUM-BAH-YAH.
The Arctic ice is disappearing at an amazing rate, not storyline, REAL WORLD. hurricanes and tornados are beginning to get pretty frequent and more powerful. Hurricanes are slow enough that we get plenty of warning, and can "harden" industries for their impact, but over the last few years the number and strength of tornados just in this Country have been growing. Let's just say that a "super Cell" develops over Houston, and spawns two F5's and an F3, the F5's rip through the refineries, tearing them apart, causing massive fires, and spills, and the F3 hits the oil transfer facility, tearing out transfer lines from tankers, More spills, and, not caused by the tornadoes, but a week later the "big one, hits the San Andreas Fault, causing several others along the Pacific "Rim of Fire" to also let go within a month. Care to guess what the earthquakes and their resultant Tidal waves would do to coastal oil transfer ports, nuclear reactors in poorer countries that DON'T build them like they are built in the more advanced countries?
HELL just the oil fires that Saddam's army set off in the desert after we kicked his *$$ in Desert *$$ whipping round one, did tremendous damage to the environment.
All of this is not discussing the possibility of several volcanoes erupting. The Geologic record of the blast at Etna can be seen in the strata around the world.
This is just real quick as I am typing it. If things went off the deep end on this planet, things would get very, very bad very very fast.
Back to the Muslims and the Jews. No one knows exactly how close the Iranians ARE to having their own weapon, but their rockets are a LOT more reliable that the North Korean ones. Imagine what would happen if North Korea smuggled a few warheads into Iran, for the Iranians to mount on THEIR rockets. THEY don't NEED to build one.
Niri Te

IOW, if quite a few unlikely things happen, we'll die in large numbers?

Keeping in mind all of the disasters you've just listed above, consider somewhere like... Germany. It receives no hurricanes, no earthquakes or volcanoes and has nuclear weapons. EDIT: is nuclear-capable. In short, it is completely invulnerable to everything you just listed. It is also an economic and industrial powerhouse, to the point where it's pretty much funding all of Europe ATM. In terms of people, it's about 1/3 the size of the US. Some of its neighbours, including Switzerland, the UK and the Netherlands, are comparable in power.

Explain to me again how this "Pollution causes the end of the world" thing works again.

Originally Posted by Niri Te

I think that we have a couple of physicists and chemists on this site, I have a question. Has anyone ever done a study to figure out what if any new chemicals or compounds would be created in the heat of a nuclear fireball if a weapon were detonated directly over a city with huge oil refining, and oil storage fields?
Niri Te

In the core of a nuclear fireball, all compounds are torn into their component elements. Those elements then recombine into... whatever's most favourable, which will probably be small, light compounds. However, outside that core blast, everything would probably burn. (Since the radiative flash from a nuke is so vast it's very hard to describe.) The pollutants from the oil burning are probably going to be minor compared to the pollutants from the mushroom cloud, though.

[Cyvaris]

Originally Posted by Clarke

You know that neither ozone, earthquakes, or interstellar war work like that, don't you?

Of course it doesn't! Humans would never beg an "inferior" race for anything....we would just bomb the **** out of em!

All hail the Empah!!!


^Not a Physicist OR a Chemist but....I think fire would result.
Oh and burning...and fusing of things from heat...and death.

@Niri Te's "environment going to hell/Middle East War thing"...STOP STEALING THE BACKGROUND FOR THE NOVEL I AM TRYING TO FIND A PUBLISHER FOR!!!

[Moco Loco]

I just think it could be so many things, and to fully appreciate whatever plot occurs (short of scientific inaccuracies), I have to keep an open mind about this.

[Cyvaris]

^So..Germany....should I practice my Goosestep?

[electrosphere11]

@ Niri Te-
Its definitely a sad age to live in where we are beginning to see things disappear forever. Luckily there are still many amazing ecosystems that are surviving but I feel horrible for what our children or grandchildren may miss out on in the next few decades.

I think its definitely something we should all take a bigger glance at and exercise a little due diligence before we end up losing everything for good.

[Niri Te]

Originally Posted by electrosphere11

@ Niri Te-
Its definitely a sad age to live in where we are beginning to see things disappear forever. Luckily there are still many amazing ecosystems that are surviving but I feel horrible for what our children or grandchildren may miss out on in the next few decades.

I think its definitely something we should all take a bigger glance at and exercise a little due diligence before we end up losing everything for good.

VERY WELL SPOKEN, Electrosphere11.
Niri Te