Obama Has Permanently Shut The U.S. Manned Space Program.

[Devourment]

Space exploration is a huge waste of money, maybe if all those scientists concentrated on something that would replace fossil fuels or create cars that are 100% environmentally friendly(including batteries) we'd be able to actually change something.

Space exploration is cool. What has it done for the human race? Jack ****. Huge waste of money.

[Human No More]

100% environmentally friendly is impossible. For anything. Ironically, production of Li-ion batteries is hugely resource and material intensive as well as producing various byproducts, and causing even more damage if the batteries aren't properly disposed of.

As for resources in the solar system, the truth is, for a lot, we don't know yet, due to inadequate exploration. There are plenty of resources in our solar system that could cause huge improvements on Earth (e.g. solar power satellites using an energy transfer beam to Earth, or collection of Helium-3 for fusion (going a bit further into the future there), both of which have huge promise for benefiting Earth.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

As human no more very correctly pointed out, it was a Socialist one of your own that shut it down so suck on that lollipop, besides what do you care? According to you Earth is already dead and so are we. You said that is all irreversible so there you go, I guess that's why you want to invest in mining projects instead of going into space, so Earth and Humanity dies that much faster.

I would like to see you fundamentaly prove that Obama is a socialist. Never the less, I am pleased that it has been shut down, he is increasing the budget, and allocating resources in a more pragmatic approach, to space exploration.

I'll have you know that I was refering to space mining projects, if we can get good extra-planetary commodities coming back to earth, the economy boost might give us what we need to fight our own impending doom.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

How? When as you yourself point out that Capitalism has flaws that are workable meaning they can be dealt with where as Socialism has unworkable flaws meaning they cannot be fixed. Now that just defies logic...

I believe the second part of my paragraph had answered that.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Devourment

Space exploration is a huge waste of money, maybe if all those scientists concentrated on something that would replace fossil fuels or create cars that are 100% environmentally friendly(including batteries) we'd be able to actually change something.

Space exploration is cool. What has it done for the human race? Jack ****. Huge waste of money.

You are a f*ckin idiot if you believe that here are some things the space program ha made possible, one them of you probably use Jack@ss.

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Although most people today will never set foot on the moon, everyone likely comes in contact with a NASA by-product every day. Partnering with various research teams and companies, NASA continues to spawn a vast array of new technologies and products that have improved our daily lives. Basic steps in health, safety, communications and even casual entertainment find their ro*ots in the government branch commonly associated with rocket ships and floating people. In fact, NASA has filed more than 6,300 patents with the U.S. government [source: NASA Scientific and Technical Information.
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Link here.

[zongtseng]

Stop with the insults and language or you will be taking a timeout.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

Now that's a load of crap the current batch of democrats all they do is spend money like drunken saylors. And look it up many of them have publicly stated their admiration for Stalin, for Mao and for Castro,

Telling me to waste my own time trying to justify your points will not happen, get the evidence yourself, its your point. Otherwise your just sounding like a misguided republican with firework up his ass.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

Excuse me. but so did the early wind driven voyages by sea from one continent to another. And actually there are quite a few schemes that could cut substantially the amount of time you speak about that could make a ship potentially go as fast as a quarter the speed of light.

Those voyages and the coming ones are fundamentally different, for one, we have far less time on our hands now.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

Irreversible you say? Based on what? If it's irreversible then more reason to hurry space colonization and build space habitats for humanity since as you claim Earth is going to irremediably perish no matter how much we recycle, how much we stop depending on fossil fuels and so on. And you are full of it, one look at the Black sea alone and many other areas of formerly Marxist countries show that the environmental damage there was far, far worse.

I justified my points in my blog, based on some concrete logic and some 'educated' foresight. There needs to be a concerted effort from humanity to save this planet and thus ourselves, however that won't happen under capitalism, get it through your head.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

And as far as Biologists go you seem to be the only one that is saying is all over, The Earth is already dead period.

Yeah... and its up to us to regenerate it, I'm just skeptical as to whether that can happen.

Originally Posted by PunkMaister

Local mining projects? WTF? so let me get this straight you are screaming to high heaven that all is lost, that we are all irremediably doomed and on top of that you want to start local strip mining projects? For what? So people and the planet can die that much faster?

Strip mining other planets, local meaning local solar system, I thought I alluded to this clearly enough.

Originally Posted by Devourment

Space exploration is a huge waste of money, maybe if all those scientists concentrated on something that would replace fossil fuels or create cars that are 100% environmentally friendly(including batteries) we'd be able to actually change something.

You get 5/5 for funnyness.

Originally Posted by Devourment

Space exploration is cool. What has it done for the human race? Jack ****. Huge waste of money.

Actually no it hasn't do some research before making such assumptions. We have discovered more things than people can possibly imagine, my point is we have discovered enough to start warp drive research and local system mining, because we know what elements several of the solar planets contain. Including titanium.

Originally Posted by No More

100% environmentally friendly is impossible. For anything. Ironically, production of Li-ion batteries is hugely resource and material intensive as well as producing various byproducts, and causing even more damage if the batteries aren't properly disposed of.

Originally Posted by Human No More

As for resources in the solar system, the truth is, for a lot, we don't know yet, due to inadequate exploration. There are plenty of resources in our solar system that could cause huge improvements on Earth (e.g. solar power satellites using an energy transfer beam to Earth, or collection of Helium-3 for fusion (going a bit further into the future there), both of which have huge promise for benefiting Earth.

Umm.... we do know actually, on the moon for example, you've got oxygen bonds, titanium, helium-3 and many others I can't think of right now. Plus there are short chained hydrocarbons that have been found in extremely large quantities on the jovian planets.

[Grif]

Listen I'm seeing a lot of stupidity in this thread, primarily the first couple of posts. I always hate saying this, but I didn't bother to read all of the thread. So all I'm going to do is post this:
Obama Vows Renewed Space Program - NYTimes.com

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Grif

Listen I'm seeing a lot of stupidity in this thread, primarily the first couple of posts. I always hate saying this, but I didn't bother to read all of the thread. So all I'm going to do is post this:
Obama Vows Renewed Space Program - NYTimes.com

The first couple of posts starting with the first post, unfortunately some of the members' ignorance knows no bounds Grif.

[Grif]

Originally Posted by Spock

The first couple of posts starting with the first post, unfortunately some of the members' ignorance knows no bounds Grif.

Now I remember why I loved being a moderator on Forge Hub. There is nothing more satisfying than shutting up an idiot with a "You have received an infraction from the ______ forums".

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Grif

Now I remember why I loved being a moderator on Forge Hub. There is nothing more satisfying than shutting up an idiot with a "You have received an infraction from the ______ forums".

You see, I wouldn't be a good moderator because I prefer to fight idiots rather than just shut them down, but that's just me.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Spock

Telling me to waste my own time trying to justify your points will not happen, get the evidence yourself, its your point. Otherwise your just sounding like a misguided republican with firework up his ass.

Originally Posted by Spock

Those voyages and the coming ones are fundamentally different, for one, we have far less time on our hands now.

And yet you want to suspend everything for over 50 years trying to wrok up on an FTL project that may or may not work, wow!

Originally Posted by Spock

I justified my points in my blog, based on some concrete logic and some 'educated' foresight. There needs to be a concerted effort from humanity to save this planet and thus ourselves, however that won't happen under capitalism, get it through your head.

First of all you are saying that Earth is dead already anyway, so no amount of effort we put into it, no amount of recycling, moving away from fossil fuels to renewable sources is going to change that, something which by the way 99 of most biologists and scientists out there won't agree with even in principle.

Second of all to believe that only through a bone crushing totalitarian Marxist system the world can be saved is like saying that Hitler was the second coming of Christ. I believe that is through individual action and not that of bone crushing regimes that the world is to be saved and that's the fundamental difference between you and I. We both want to save the world but we have diametrically opposite views on how to save it.

Originally Posted by Spock

Yeah... and its up to us to regenerate it, I'm just skeptical as to whether that can happen.

Again just about all the scientists in the world would disagree with that point of view. Earth is still far from dead and there are signs of Glaciers growing, of forests regrowing and much more, so a little less pessimism please? Man and I thought I was a pessimist!

Originally Posted by Spock

Strip mining other planets, local meaning local solar system, I thought I alluded to this clearly enough.

Not really especially since you are against an ongoing space program that would allow to tap extra-planetary resources in our own solar system of any kind.

Originally Posted by Spock

Actually no it hasn't do some research before making such assumptions. We have discovered more things than people can possibly imagine, my point is we have discovered enough to start warp drive research and local system mining, because we know what elements several of the solar planets contain. Including titanium.

Except you are against any ongoing space program that would allow such mining, see the issue here?

Originally Posted by Spock

Umm.... we do know actually, on the moon for example, you've got oxygen bonds, titanium, helium-3 and many others I can't think of right now. Plus there are short chained hydrocarbons that have been found in extremely large quantities on the jovian planets.

But you are unwilling to go tap them and want to wait over 50 years or longer for an FTL drive that may or may not be possible, talk about placing all eggs in one basket.

[Grif]

Originally Posted by Spock

You see, I wouldn't be a good moderator because I prefer to fight idiots rather than just shut them down, but that's just me.

You can't shutdown idiots, they just don't get it. I should probably read the rest of this tread, but I well... not tonight

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Spock

I would like to see you fundamentaly prove that Obama is a socialist. Never the less, I am pleased that it has been shut down, he is increasing the budget, and allocating resources in a more pragmatic approach, to space exploration.

Which is why Neil Armstrong and most Astronomers in the US staunchly disagree. And he is not allocating crap, he is shutting it down period. The money is being diverted toward the so called universal health-care instead.

Originally Posted by Spock

I'll have you know that I was refering to space mining projects, if we can get good extra-planetary commodities coming back to earth, the economy boost might give us what we need to fight our own impending doom.

Except that without a Space program that just not going to happen period. Oh let me guess you expect the Chinese to do it right?

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by Grif

Listen I'm seeing a lot of stupidity in this thread, primarily the first couple of posts. I always hate saying this, but I didn't bother to read all of the thread. So all I'm going to do is post this:
Obama Vows Renewed Space Program - NYTimes.com

Except that this is the first time he makes such a bold statement about a commitment to space since his election campaign and honestly I do not trust the man, he says one thing but does another thing entirely.

[Buoyant Rock]

Politics is difficult to discuss over the internet, therefore I will not talk of it. I personally feel it is necessary to suspend something that requires this much funding, but I do hope it resumes at some point.

However, becoming an engineer myself, I fear for the countless people that will lose their jobs. These are not the kind of people that will simply go out and get a job at any place. They spent years studying and researching for their jobs, and dedicated their lives to this field.