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Old 10-06-2011, 10:41 AM
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I'll read your Kangaroo story when I get home! & it's been days I was thinking about your thread, I am watching but not posting (yet). I was thinking about digging up a Siberian legend - from the other side of the world.

Added 7:20 pm Spanish time: ok, I am home (finally) & I listened to the Kangaroo story - it's very sweet! So sweet that I even got a bit weepy & she is an excellent story teller, this woman.

Ok, here is a Siberian legend about the Belukha mountain:

According to the legend, the goddess Umai and her husband Altaiding Aezi, the ruler of Altai, lived in the far away North. One day the giant fish Ker-Dupa moved her tail & turned the Earth upside down. The climate of Siberia used to be warm but when Ker-Dupa made the world go the other way, it became very cold. Altaiding Aezi travelled to heaven to ask the High Burkhans, the highest spiritual beings of his time, for help. While he was travelling from one Burkhan to the other looking for Ulgen, the highest of all, and the only one who would be able to return the Earth to the way it was, it became colder & colder in Altai.

Umai, trying to prevent her children from being frozen, turned them into rocks & cliffs. She did it with two of her sons and four of her daughters. Then she took the two other daughters by their hands & went with them down south to look for warmer climate. When they arrived there, Umai turned all of them into mountains too - a three-peak-mountain. The highest peak is Umai's head, & the two smaller ones are her daughters. This mountain is called Belukha, meaning, The White One. It's other name is Ak-Sumer - White Summer.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:18 AM
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Wow thanks Apache, I know you're pretty busy with work and stuff so thanks for taking the time out to read.
The siberian story looks really interesting, it's sad in a way but it's a great explanation for the cold climate and the mountains. I'll never get that cool image out of my head about a fish using it's tail to turn the globe upside down.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:50 AM
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Altaiding Aezi, what ever happened to that guy?
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:39 PM
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I am glad you liked the story The world being turned upside down... I kind of heard a similar legend(s) somewhere but can't really remember.

What happened to Altaiding Aezi? The legend keeps silence... I gather he is still looking for Ulgen

I thought of sharing another story - a chapter from The Song of Hiawatha. I read it first when I was about 7 & was spell-bound by its sing-song rhythm & the images that were flowing to my mind from it; I read it over & over until I memorized some parts. Since then I got this idea to run away & live with the NA people

Here is Hiawatha; a poem, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Illustrated by John Rea Neill.

And a bit of The Peace Pipe:
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"O my children! my poor children!
Listen to the words of wisdom,
Listen to the words of warning,
From the lips of the Great Spirit,
From the Master of Life, who made you!

"I have given you lands to hunt in,
I have given you streams to fish in,
I have given you bear and bison,
I have given you roe and reindeer,
I have given you brant and beaver,
Filled the marshes full of wild-fowl,
Filled the rivers full of fishes:
Why then are you not contented?
Why then will you hunt each other?

"I am weary of your quarrels,
Weary of your wars and bloodshed,
Weary of your prayers for vengeance,
Of your wranglings and dissensions;
All your strength is in your union,
All your danger is in discord;
Therefore be at peace henceforward,
And as brothers live together.
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During Jake's Call for Union in Avatar I remembered this bit & cried like there's no tomorrow
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:45 PM
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I remembered another legend - which is not exactly an Aborigenee one (Pa'li, if I am in a wrong place, tell me off )

This is another Siberian legend:
A long, long time ago, maybe hundreds of thousands years, there was a continent in the North Pole region, where only icy ocean is now. The climate was favourable then. An highly advanced civilization lived there, but unlike us they were not so much technological but rather had extrasensorial capacities developed: they were capable of telepathy & telekinesis, consequently, they didn't need that many gadgets altho they had the necessary ones, like flying machines.

Being so knowledgeable & perceptive, they foresaw an imminent catastrophe (a meteorite, or an asteroide) that was going to destroy their continent, & started a slow migration southwards: some went down the Siberian side, and the others, down on the Canadian side. (Eventually, they peopled all the Asia - and the Americas. Of course these names didn't exist yet.)

Then it hit, & the continent sank, & the climate turned cold very fast. The peoples' life became a very hard daily struggle for survival; with time, their wisdom & science turned into legends; only people of knowledge, like shamans, were keeping it. But over centuries, after being passed from one generation to the other, the meaning of some rituals was misunderstood, misinterpreted or even lost and forgotten. Still, some people of knowledge kept it very jealously, & their descendants can still share it with the right people who are willing to learn & come with "an empty glass".

The legend also says that some of them eventually reached Tibet & founded Shambala.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:27 AM
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Wow, that's really interesting. I definitely caught the bit about the empty glass.
I don't mind you posting your stories Apache, it keeps everything fresh and engaging.

Here's a Dreaming story based on the Blue Wren-Waatji Pulyeri:





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Réalisant mon espoir, Je me lance vers la gloire. Je ne regrette rien. (Making my hope come true, I hurl myself toward glory. I regret nothing.)
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Oh, that was a nice one, and the music goes so well with it, really creating the story-telling atmosphere. Haha I liked it when the Owl said: "Oh, it's so hard to be a wise bird!"


Here's one story from The Teachings of Don Juan; it's almost a fable with a moral It's not an Aborigenee story, strictly speaking, but I just can't get it out of my head for the last few days so here it is.

One day Don Juan and Carlos (Castaneda) were walking down a street in a small town. Carlos noticed a big snail crawling across the road, picked it up & put it under a bush.
Don Juan: What have you just done, Carlos?
Carlos: Oh, I've saved its life, Don Juan! People could have stepped on it any moment - but I put it under the bush!
Don Juan: Yeah... Have you at least looked where the snail was going to? and where from? It was going from that bush that you have just put it under! and what do you know? maybe there were pesticides there, and it was crawling away for its dear life?
Carlos: Oops... Sorry... I'll put it right back on the road now!
Don Juan: Nooo. Carlos... leave the snail in peace! Maybe the Force wanted so. Maybe it is a lesson for the snail: when the snail knowing full well where it was going to already makes half of the way - a good-meaning idiot will suddently appear, and, thinking he knows better about the snail's needs than the snail itself, will erase all its progress just like that, and the snail will have to start from 0 again! Leave the snail in peace, Carlos, and get busy about your own life!

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... the one I don't want come back from

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Old 12-05-2011, 07:53 AM
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Awww. That makes so much sense.
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This is a story from this book:

Mario Vargas Llosa: El hablador (The Storyteller)
"Two worlds that seem to live in opposition: that of modern societies, and that of the people who live in harmony with the nature. A vertiginous journey thru the imaginary Machiguenga community (...) and the role of fiction in human life."



It starts with two students, one is studying etnography and the other, literature. This latter is the author & is telling the story in the first person.

The two of them always argue about the nation's need for progress vs the right of the native people to live their way. Our friend etnographer goes to Amazonian selva for his studies, meets the Machiguenga natives and... he falls in love with the forest & the people as if spell-bound. He spends more & more time in the selva, & less & less in the city, and eventually disappears into the woods.

Now then, this guy has a huge birthmark on his face, hence the nickname Mascarita. The 'civilized' people always make fun of & insult him whereas the Machiguenga don't seem to pay any attention to it; at most they ask: "Does it hurt?" - and hearing "No" they simply forget about it.

One day a drunk man insults Mascarita in a bar; he tries to laugh it off being a good-natured guy but his friend (the author) feels upset & punches the drunkard - this results in a brawl & both get thrown out of the bar without getting to play pool as they wanted.

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The next day I received a gift from Mascarita. It was a small diamond-shaped white bone with ochre lines on it that looked like two parallel labyrinths. The good-hearted and enigmatic note that came with it read:

Compadre:
Let's see if this magic bone calms your temper, and you stop kicking poor drunkards around. The drawing is not some primitive crawl but an encrypted message. Morenchiite, God of Thunder, a bearded & noisy deity, dictated it to a tiger, who passed the message to a witchdoctor, who passed it to other witchdoctors, and one of them told this story to me. (It's better to say 'a wise man', patita, I am only saying 'witchdoctor' so that you understand).

Maybe you'll think that these symbols are whirlpools in the river, or two coiled boas sleeping a siesta, and maybe you're right. But, really, these lines symbolize the order that rules the world. The one who lets anger overcome him, disturbs the lines and, twisted, they cannot sustain the earth anymore. This, serenity, is the most important thing for the Machiguenga; this philosophy kept them alive for milleniums: never drown in a cup of water, and you won't drown in a flood. There is a powerful connection between the human spirit and those of the nature, & any violent disturbance of this connection calls for catastrophes. A fight can cause a flood, and a murder can cause a lightning to burn a village. Maybe the train accident this morning is the direct consequence of your yesterday's punch? Doesn't your concience bite you? You wouldn't want life to fall apart because of your actions, would you?

So calm down my friend & stop throwing tantrums, especially for my sake! In any case, thank you.

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... the one I don't want come back from

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another one, from the same book:

A little prelude: the Machiguenga live in very small communities, sometimes just one family, dispersed around the Amazonian selva. This is why they never got conquered: they were so decentralized that it was very difficult to 'get them', they didn't even have chiefs nor kings nor bosses; the maximum authority was the father of the family. It's a real miracle how they didn't disappear over time but there is at least one theoretical explanation: there are people called Storytellers (or Talkers, or Speakers), and they travel between the communities bringing them news about each other, telling legends, stories & jokes - & thus keeping them knitted together - thru stories and legends. They are like blood that runs thru different parts of the body.

Now the story:
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I still didn't find the reason for that spot on my face. Maybe some things don't have any reason. Maybe they exist, only. You don't agree I see. I see it from your eyes. Yes, it is true: if I don't know the reason, it doesn't mean that the reason doesn't exist.

Before this spot mattered a lot to me. About it, I did not speak. To myself only, to my soul. As a secret I kept it and it was eating me. From inside eating myself I was it seems. Sad I was living.
Now it doesn't matter. At least I believe so. I guess it is thanks to you. Because I realized that, when I came to see you, and the others, and speak to them, it didn't seem to matter either. I asked, many moons ago, a family who lived at Koshireni river. I asked them: "How do you see me? Do you mind seeing me? Does this spot matter to you?" Tasurinchi, the wise man, the oldest, explained it to me: "Maybe what people do, and what people don't, matters. That the hunter hunts, and the fisherman, fishes. That the sun goes up. That the order is maintained. That rules are respected. This is what matters. The spot on someone's face, maybe not".

Maybe this is wisdom.

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... the one I don't want come back from

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Irayo Pa'li Makto for Dreamtime stories. I have always loved them, even though I am not from Australia, a continent I love dearly, for its primeval mystery.
Here in Africa we have many similar stories about how the world was formed. It is such a pity that as Africa becomes 'civilised', children do not grow up with these stories and lose respect for their environment. One of our biggest problems right now is deforestation - and for the life of me I cannot get people to understand that a tree is a 'being', to be respected for who it is and where it is, and not to think of it as a big plant growing where there should be a car park!
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Kaltxi Ma Frapo! I have been absent from this forum for a while. Fi'uiri, txoa livu, rutxe. (For this thing to me is forgiveness, please) I bring to you a Samoan legend, that Niri Tawa shared with me. She found it on the internet, though she was familiar with the legend from her time among the Samoans. It speaks of the strength of one's word, and following through on a promise. The end is bittersweet. I would love to learn animation such as this and create Na'vi legends! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgdbvTpDKA#t=30
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