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Old 10-14-2011, 06:27 PM
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I wonder if anybody else had a similar experience - that of receiving some sort of a "message" from those who died physically but somehow can get in touch from the other side?

Here is the first, & the most simple one: Oscar The Dog.

A friend had a German shepherd; this Oscar was an amazing dog, much better than many humans. But when he was 11 years old he fell very sick & was having a very bad time; he was suffering too much & she put him to sleep cos it seemed to be the only solution. Altho it was merciful in some sense, his poor owner was very depressed about it & had a huge guilt complex.

Two months later, I had this dream: I was with Oscar in a green field with a forest behind it; the colours were very, almost exagerratedly, bright, the air was fresh, the overall impression was of Health and Life. Oscar was jumping around, wagging his tail, coming up to me & putting his paws on my shoulders, & doing all things that a very happy dog would do. He would also stop once in a while & give me a long, long look as if trying to say something, and then would scamper around again.

I was so impressed that I called my friend when I woke up & said: "Look, if you're still sad, upset or depressed about Oscar... erm... maybe you shouldn't be cos I saw him in a dream, and he was young & healthy again & was having a wonderful time; he sent you many regards". Poor woman broke crying, but these were happy tears. She really felt relieved.

Since then I had some more "communications from the other side": one involves my dear pagan-scientific grandma, the other a baby about to be born, yet another someone's mother, and one more - another dog who came out of a coma.

But before I tell all these stories, or at least some... has anybody else had anything similar? A dream, a vision, a thought... anything? Please share if you had!
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:57 PM
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I actually had a similar one too. My dog was very sick for a long time, almost a year. So sick, that he couldn't really stand up. He could walk if you picked him up, but he had to pick him up and carry him outside so he could go to the bathroom. We probably should have put him to sleep, but none of us could.

Well, he was like this for about a year. Of course it got progressively worse, but he was probably in his worst state for at least 2 months.

Then, on a Friday night, the night before my senior prom, and the night before my biggest track race of the season, I went to bed not thinking of my dog at all. Then during that night, I had a dream that I was running around in a field of flowers playing with my dog, and he was healthy and having fun. Then when I woke up, my mom told me that my dog had finally died during that night.

I thought it was kind of strange, because with 2 pretty big events going on the next day, I still had a dream about my dog, which was on the night he died, and I had the dream before knowing he was dead.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:12 PM
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Wow, that was a great one. Your dog was definitely happy wherever he was, & it's good you dreamed about it before knowing he died. How did you handle his death, I mean, emotionally? and in any other sense that you're willing to mention?
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:33 AM
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Well, we had our dog most of my life. He was born September 11th 2000, and we got him as a puppy, so he died when we has 10.x something. Definitely that day, I ran really hard in my race, because that's a good way for me to get stress out. I just absolutely killed myself in the race.

But as far as handling his death, it's strange at times, since we had him from when I was 7-17, so basically my entire growing up life. There are still days when I come home and am about to say "Buckeye! where are you!" but then I remember he's gone. Or I'll see something that would make a good toy for him, and then realize he can't play with it, so that's kinda strange.

The good thing though is that whenever I remember him, I remember him being happy, and in a healthy state. I never think back and see a sick dying dog, except for one memory of him, where I was trying to do homework, but he was sitting there next to me, and we both knew he was going to die soon, so I would pet him, then stop work on my work, and he would give out sad yelps until I pet him again, and it was a back and forth, and I had to listen to his sad yelps while I did my homework. That I'll remember for a long time, because of how sad he seemed at that time. But other than that I only remember him in his healthy happy state, which is good.
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"I wish I was a sacrifice but somehow still lived on"

It seems like everybody is moving forward. As if there is some final goal they can achieve and get to. I don't get it though. When I look around, it seems like I'm already there, and there is nothing left to do.

"You think you're so clever and classless and free, but you're still ****ing peasants as far as I can see."

I wish I could take just one hour of what I experience out in nature, wrap it in a box, put a bow on it, and start handing out to people

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Old 10-16-2011, 01:49 PM
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yeah... *sigh* the sad part is always present when somebody goes. But with a dream that you had, or any vision, or other "message" of this type, it's easier to handle it, isn't it? When you think that your near & dear person (or animal, in this case) is happy wherever s/he is, it sort of softens the blow.

Here, I have one story about My Dear Pagan-Scientific Grandma: Afterlife talk.
(a couple of especially close tsmukan si tsmuke here on ToS already know this story, but since we finally have this Subforum... why not to share it with more people?)

My grandma was very special, & a very strange mix of Dr. Grace & Mo'at: on one side, she was a Doctor of Medicine, very skeptical & even cynical. But on the other side, she was like a jungle person: she talked to plants, animals & even kitchen utensils as if they could understand her. “My dear children, I love you, thank you for your service; please serve me a bit more…” and boy, did they serve! Some of her pots & pans were more than 50 years old, but in working conditions; ordinary geraniums grew like some jungle plants on her windows… Love is a very potent vitamin. When we went to a forest for mushrooms & berries (there’s lots of forest in Siberia ) she always greeted the forest, said that we meant no harm, & wouldn’t break anything, & we only asked it for some mushrooms… When we left she always said: “Thank you dear forest, goodbye, see you next time!” I spent a good part of my childhood with her, so I took it for granted that that was the right way to treat the forest, plants & animals, & in fact all the environment. When I saw Na’vi doing the same thing I thought: “Yes, this is the right way! I know it!” Now, when I see a different – consumer – attitude – it is hard for me to understand, & it makes me sad very sad only...

Now, the afterlife story: my grandma died when she was 82, & I was in Dubai & couldn’t come for the funeral. But thanks to Buddhism I was sure that she didn’t disappear from this world; rather, her soul went out of the body cos she was tired after such a long & intense life, and wanted to have a rest in a different dimension. When I got back, it was winter, & my family wanted to go to the cemetery with snow up to one's waist. I agreed & went but in my heart I was thinking: “What for? She is not there!” but I didn’t go again, for various motives: work, health, whatever.

When I was already packing my bags to go to Spain, they wanted to go again, I refused explaining it with the travel preparations, & my little sister asked me, why not: sure I knew that the grandma loved me? I said that of course I did, & the feeling was mutual, but I just didn’t see any sense in it, moreover, I didn’t have the time. But! One “useful” thing that I could do indeed was to put a candle in a church for the peace of her soul. The biggest candle I could find! So I left to Moscow cos I had to get the visa in the Spanish consulate first. I applied for it & the procedure was going to take 2 weeks. One night I had a very uncomfortable dream about my grandma’s flat: as if there were Egyptian pyramids with mommies there, & the tour guide explaining all those death rituals & traditions. I woke up with a rather heavy feeling, trying to figure out what it meant… then I saw a white pigeon with black spots like a Dalmatian on the window. I went to the kitchen to have a coffee & to clear my head. After some good 20 minutes I went back into the bedroom… the pigeon was still sitting on the window. Eh? For 20 minutes?? Then I started to wake up for real! I suddenly remembered that I didn’t put the promised candle in a church. I thought that it seemed I really should do it… as soon as I thought it, the pigeon flew away. It was curiousier & curiousier. I didn’t want to wait anymore so I went out & found a church nearby. I went to the shop with icons, Bibles, candles etc. & asked the nun for the biggest candle she had for my grandma’s peace of soul. She took out a rather tall one & said it cost 200 roubles. &I heard – I swear to you, I heard! – my dear grandma’s voice in my head: “Disgraceful! What a shame! 200 roubles for a candle! People have lost their minds! Where is the world going to!?” It was so unexpected & so typical of her – to grumble about the prices, & the world in general , besides, in these very expressions– that I started giggling. I told her in my mind: “Grandma, it’s you! I know it’s you! So, I was right all along: you’re not in the cemetery, you’re right here next to me! Now, please stop grumbling cos I promised you the biggest candle, & I am going to lit it for you! If it takes 200 roubles, well, then it has to be!” The nun noticed that something unusual was going on but she just smiled.

Then she guided me to the place for “those who are gone”, I lit that candle & said mentally: “Grandma… I am sorry that I didn’t go to the cemetery cos I know your respect to traditions… But come on! Between me & you: what was the point? We both know that you’re not limited by time or space anymore! You’re right here!” She grumbled a bit more, & then said: “Ok… all right… thanks… you know I loove you, don’t you?” This “loove” was also her typical way to say “love” so there was no doubt. I stayed for some time, & when I walked out, I had a very, very warm feeling of love, & even some tears in my eyes, but sweet ones: it was like appreciation, & gratitude, & of course love. Or Loove
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:11 PM
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I have 2 experiences with dogs.
One was that when one of the pups of the dog mummy here was buried. She was with some people, friends of the person who took her to care for her in the future and then she was run over by a car It was incredibly sad for me and of course the friend who took her. We buried her a few days later in the garden of these people. When we buried her, I gave her a penny. Then when she was underground, for only a few moments, the fountain in the garden was pouring out more water, so the water did not flow in the basin but on the grass. Was it a coincidence? Did someone play with the water supply? Was it some kind of communication? I do not know.
The other was when the dog of my mom died a few weeks ago. I was out of the country at that time. In the night she died, I dreamt quite bad stuff about dogs, I woke up several times and could not sleep well. I was feeling fear. I worried about my own dogs and feared something had happened to them, so the next day I SMS-ed home to ask if they were ok. Luckily they were but a few day slater I heard that my moms dog did not wake up that morning...
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I am sorry to hear that your experience with dogs was sad but there is definitely some kind of connection; even if your dream was caused by simply worrying about the doggie, the very fact that it happened the same night is quite a coincidence.

And curious about that water fountain, too! I don't really know what it was but I remember one day when I was fuming (almost literally ): I was very angry about something, & suddenly i got "watered" all over, soaked really, from an irrigation point in the garden - the water was supposed to be going in the opposite direction from that particulat outlet, & it's very difficult to turn, so there is a very slim chance that it got turned around accidentally. But even if it were, it was a very unexpected shower, & the timing was perfect, too!

I have a story about Leyla the hunting dog; she was shot & spent weeks in a coma before suddenly recovering when all hope was lost. But I'll tell it later maybe. My stories are long
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This is such a wonderful, touching story. Truly the teaching of Avatar practiced. What very very woman your grandma was. What a remarkable woman and close relationship you had with her. You are lucky to have such a spiritual relationship. May we all be so fortunate. Thank you for sharing this Apache.
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My grandfather died four years ago of pancreatic cancer. He was very reclusive and the type to never want to go to the doctor, so by the time it was discovered, he pretty much died immediately. I had a bunch of dreams about him. Whether or not they are "spiritual" is up for anyone's interpretation, since I'm outside all that. Dreaming is just what I do

First, I had a dream I was somewhere very cold, in the ocean, but like I was watching from outside my body. I was right above the water, which was choppy, and the air was full of fog. Then, I saw a huge slow ship with smoke or steam pouring out of it go by, breaking through some sheets of ice. I don't know anything about boats, but it looked like this

I guess it's because I just found out he would be dying soon, but I felt like he was there in that dream, though I wasn't even really there. It was weird, and I'm not the best at describing feelings.
Then, he got a lot worse and pretty much stopped moving. He was always in bed and barely spoke to anyone. I visited him with my mom a lot, but my other cousins never came over. Because I was there in person, he gave me a stack of bonds he'd been saving (which he apparently had for every of the many grandchildren). Most of my other cousins have still never gotten theirs due to petty arguments in the family and different interpretations of the will, etc, so now I think that was pretty lucky.
About a week after the first dream, I had a dream that I was outside in his garden, and I saw a lot of unusual plants that weren't there in reality. One of them looked exactly like the plant with that purple fruit Grace throws to Jake, and just like that, he picked off one of the purple things and told me I could eat it. If anyone has heard of a grapple (Grpple® Brand Apples | The Grape Flavored Apples), that's the way it tasted.
The night that he died, I had another dream where I wasn't actually present in person. It looked like an animation with paper or something. My grandfather got out of the bed he'd been on for a couple weeks and walked slowly down the hall. As he came closer to the wall at the end, he shrank in short bursts until he was only about a foot tall. Then, he turned white and shrank into his clothes, and then scurried out as a mouse, and crawled into a hole in the baseboard.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:38 AM
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My grandfather died four years ago of pancreatic cancer. ... I had a dream that I was outside in his garden, and I saw a lot of unusual plants that weren't there in reality. One of them looked exactly like the plant with that purple fruit Grace throws to Jake, and just like that, he picked off one of the purple things and told me I could eat it. If anyone has heard of a grapple (Grpple® Brand Apples | The Grape Flavored Apples), that's the way it tasted.
cool that your granddad gave you a Pandoran-like fruit! Four years ago, I take it he died before Avatar came out? I never tried a Grapple (I might have my chance during the Meetup ) but I would imagine that Grace's fruit would taste a bit like blue/black grapes - well it did have some semblance to it, purple & bubbly...

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The night that he died, I had another dream where I wasn't actually present in person. It looked like an animation with paper or something. My grandfather got out of the bed he'd been on for a couple weeks and walked slowly down the hall. As he came closer to the wall at the end, he shrank in short bursts until he was only about a foot tall. Then, he turned white and shrank into his clothes, and then scurried out as a mouse, and crawled into a hole in the baseboard.
this seems funny - a bit like Alice in Wonderland when she would eat a magic pie or a mushroom & become bigger or smaller, depending where she had to enter... Maybe your granddad had gone to a different dimension? like in your earlier dream...
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Moco's story reminded me about when my father-in-law died: in the beginning of March. The beginning of this story & the circumstances are here so I won't be retelling them.

When I heard the news I launched a long meditation & lit candles to 'illuminate his way to the other side & wish him a safe journey", & I was feeling rather serene. The next day, however, I was sad & weepy

An interesting thing, or two, happened on the day of the funeral: during the sermon for my father-in-law, the priest said: "Our Father... or Mother! who is in heaven... Well, yes, God is Father - and also Mother! This "only father" concept was invented in that old male-ruled culture, & we still have it, but we mustn't forget that God is the Father & the Mother at the same time..."

At that particular moment I kept seeing in my mind's eye the funeral scene under the Tree of Souls & the Na'vi praying to All Mother.

That was an interesting thing to hear from a Catholic priest!

Then later, when we got to the cemetery, some people were already there but for the reason I cannot fathom (& some things don't need to be explained) I felt attracted to a big mimosa tree growing at the entrance of the cemetery, as if it 'called' me or 'invited' me. I went straight there & stood for a while with my face in its fluffy yellow flowers feeling really good & mellow, 'in the flood of love'. When I looked up I saw the sun shining thru its branches that reminded me quite a bit about Tsu'tey's death scene:



When everybody left I lingered for a while under the tree, & suddenly I had this 'flash vision' of my father-in-law, jumping around happily, literally dancing a jig - a bit above & on the background of some shining clouds, & shouting: "No - more - problems! No - more - worries!" That was a blast! I said mentally that I was glad to see him finally happy I don't know if he caught the thought, the vision disappeared, but later I had a dream of him: old as he was but smiling & even happy; he gave me a hug. I guess he came to say farewell, although, who really knows...
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