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Old 12-30-2012, 02:58 PM
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SO WHO'S EYWA?
Jake asks this question. And Norm is incredulous that he doesn't know.
We are content with his summation, that Eywa is the sum total of all that there is in Pandora. Their deity. Their Goddess.
To me she is equivalaent to Gaia. But is Gaia changed by the consciousness of each One? Is Eywa different by the the addition of Grace's presence? By Trudy's? or by any Avatar's/human consciousness?
Is Eywa now tainted or contaminated because of Human presense?

It is suggested, INDIRECTLY by the "ghostwriter" who works with Cameron, and with whom I converse on the internet, that perhaps Eywa is a construct of a SUPER RACE of beings from the planet Prometheus.

So I wonder? Is Eywa is a bio-chemical brain constructed of nanobots? Is Pandora a construct of "Ancient Astronaut Theorists"?

MY SPIRIT CRIES OUT NO!!! Don't DO this to us! As the folksinger Janis Ian would croon, "I'm a sucker for that grand illusion!" I would rather believe that Pandora truly exists. I don't want to hear someone saying, "Wake up (Alice/Dorothy/Ateyo) You were having a bad dream."

One the other hand, we know that Eywa is a construct of the imagination of Cameron/"ghostwriter". But does that make her any LESS REAL to us? The real question then,
is Eywa greater than the sum of all her parts INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY US!?: The "fans" who have been touched by the CONCEPT of EYWA. I have noticed that some of us list Eywa as our religious preference on Face Book profiles.
Eywa has become real for ME perhaps because I have become disenchanted with the CONCEPT of God in Western society, the judgmental one who is portrayed as playing favorites with His Chosen Ones. I have seen how HUMANS have rewritten the Bible as the of subjugation of other races/religions/and women, and called it "TRUTH".

So IF this is the direction that Cameron is going with the Avatar story; If Eywa is a construct of a Super Race, within a construct of Cameron and "ghostwriter"; is Eywa any different than what you and I conceive?
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:03 PM
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I have no idea what the Grand Illusion pop up is all about. It is not the song I am referencing.
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I'd have to watch the movie again to reply to this :/ hmhmm
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:29 AM
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What did I just read?
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I really hope not. I hate multiple-work universes as they always end up messing with each other...
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In native spirituality there is a concept known of as "The Great Mystery" and in recent times science (Like Quantum Physics and String theroy as an example) have tryed to Define "What The Great Mystery is" and give if form and substance After Avatar I dealt with very challinging unexplained emotions and dreams, I have heard this is true of many others as well, I was forced to touch on issues I once thought of as simply spiritual nonsence and realy question the core roots of sources on the very deep emotions I was feeling "where these thoughts put into my head by Camerons film ?" or did they come from from a very real deep core part of my inner true self ?, That univeral part of our core humanity that connects us to our true sense of freedom and deep empathy as well our accountability as a person, that comes from our subconscious primal core heartfelt understanding at the heart of "all" living beings be them animal or human, and while its basic human nature to try and define through "science" every process we experence, we often take a simple comsept and make it far more complex then needed, Has anyone ever realy asked "why" native peoples share so many core connections with each other no mater what part of the world they come from ? And why us humans "feel the core need" to see some divine connection to the world around us and Why we are all here ?, Ancient Wisdom Rising: Flordemayo - YouTube this core drive is a primal part of "Who We are" its very simple as we walk down Own "Unique path in life" we see the world around us on "many levels" but our people have a real issue 'When Neytiri says to 'Us" We are the sky people that "Do not See" she by example means "As a whole our people from non native circles have made a "choise" to disconnect from that core part of us that asks the deep questions and sees our global issues at there Source of there root core truth "This is the strange sence of wrongness some chidren speak of as they still see the world with there deep core heartfelt understanding "They Can See and feel this deep inside" (in reality we universaly share these fealings as well yet we lose the ability to point out the core source of these deep inner feelings this puts us in conflict with our core humanity inside) but very few people listen to them anymore "This is sad, Very sad only" In speaking on Eywa Cameron Through deep Artistic Visual Example pointed our people to this part our deep root core understanding and invited then to experence this themselves to "See" through the Eyes of "The People" "who view there world from there core heartfelt understanding, "Tryng to define who Eywa" as a "Process through science" drives a core sense of seperation and complexity as every peson will see the Eywa "example" through diffrent eyes
Ask A native person who Eywa is, And you might get She is inside all of us "Go to India And ask a Sadhu and you get a completly diffrent view on Camerons creative Vision Ask the science fiction writer Gene" Roddenberry and he might define "eywa" like He did V"Ger (Voyager) from star trek The motion picture
and his example of the planet of learning machines , Eywa can not be defined as living Mechnisum without seperating it (Her) into parts like a giant clock with many cog wheels driving each part, our peole can see the parts "But not the Whole " IN James Camerons Collectve storytelling "vision" Eywa is the collective whole. "The mind inside Nature"
we are finding out that lifeforms we thought simple with no intelgence can commucate as a collective whole on levels we could not imagine "Smarty Plants" Trailer 2 - YouTube I think we are all in for a real shock on just how connected our people truly are .

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SO WHO'S EYWA?
Jake asks this question. And Norm is incredulous that he doesn't know.
We are content with his summation, that Eywa is the sum total of all that there is in Pandora. Their deity. Their Goddess.
To me she is equivalaent to Gaia. But is Gaia changed by the consciousness of each One? Is Eywa different by the the addition of Grace's presence? By Trudy's? or by any Avatar's/human consciousness?
Is Eywa now tainted or contaminated because of Human presense?

It is suggested, INDIRECTLY by the "ghostwriter" who works with Cameron, and with whom I converse on the internet, that perhaps Eywa is a construct of a SUPER RACE of beings from the planet Prometheus.

So I wonder? Is Eywa is a bio-chemical brain constructed of nanobots? Is Pandora a construct of "Ancient Astronaut Theorists"?

MY SPIRIT CRIES OUT NO!!! Don't DO this to us! As the folksinger Janis Ian would croon, "I'm a sucker for that grand illusion!" I would rather believe that Pandora truly exists. I don't want to hear someone saying, "Wake up (Alice/Dorothy/Ateyo) You were having a bad dream."

One the other hand, we know that Eywa is a construct of the imagination of Cameron/"ghostwriter". But does that make her any LESS REAL to us? The real question then,
is Eywa greater than the sum of all her parts INCLUDING AND ESPECIALLY US!?: The "fans" who have been touched by the CONCEPT of EYWA. I have noticed that some of us list Eywa as our religious preference on Face Book profiles.
Eywa has become real for ME perhaps because I have become disenchanted with the CONCEPT of God in Western society, the judgmental one who is portrayed as playing favorites with His Chosen Ones. I have seen how HUMANS have rewritten the Bible as the of subjugation of other races/religions/and women, and called it "TRUTH".

So IF this is the direction that Cameron is going with the Avatar story; If Eywa is a construct of a Super Race, within a construct of Cameron and "ghostwriter"; is Eywa any different than what you and I conceive?
First red : not necessarily changed, but influenced, yes, that's how Eywa sent all her forces against human threat of destroying the Tree of Souls. The Omaticaya been through other "Times of Sorrow", but as Neytiri said, "she doesn't take sides, she only protects the balance of life", this means the will of all living species on Pandora can save it from a threat fighting against it.

Second red : I don't think so, because we have a living proof right here, Mother Nature, that literally is choosing for herself : natural selection [...?] and she doesn't take any side but protects the balance of life fighting against threats with earthquakes, storms, droughts, floods, global icing etc. All of these have scientific answers through climatology, geology, seismology etc. Humans don't have any impact on Eywa, but on people on Pandora.

Imagine this scenario : they destroy the Tree of Souls, what happens next ? The Omaticaya don't die, but their religion, legacy, tradition and history would be destroyed. They move to another Tree of Souls ? Ikran people of the Eastern Sea and Horse Clan come to Omaticaya's ToS to pray? Because I doubt it's only one ToS on Pandora.

Third red : Planet Prometheus is like Jupiter from our solar system, impossible for life to exist or evolve. Pandora is one of its moons. Pandoran people have other origins, now unknown.

Fourth red : Eywa is how you choose to believe there is a God out there, or if not a God, but a powerful "being" that keep you steps away from going insane. Without religion or something to believe in, people would go crazy, it would be anarchy.

People on Pandora already know humans are hostile and a threat to their planet. Just because few of them changed sides won't make any difference. Any other human colony coming on Pandora won't be welcomed with flowers and rituals.
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'Gaia' isn't actually supposed to be sentient

I've explained this before, it's homeostasis packaged for people with no background in science. Lovelock himself doesn't believe Earth is a sentient being.

Allrock, your posts are impossible to parse. Can you try using paragraphs?
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:50 AM
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For me, Eywa would be like (at least in some way) The Force in Don Juan's Teachings: it's impartial (it doesn't take sides, only maintains the balance of life) but it's also conscious (it can Hear a prayer, & choose the answer (if any)). Like in that metaphor: it's more than a sum of its parts (e.g. beings, plants, animals etc. on Pandora) like one is more than a sum of one's organs, tissues etc.

So the idea of Eywa as a construct is not appealing to me but also, let's see what they mean when Avatar 2 comes out. If there is that line about an ancient cosmic race... it doesn't have to be a construct - maybe they 'uploaded' their knowledge into the energy network on Pandora (the number of connections between the roots of the trees is much higher than that of neurons in the brain), and much, much later Na'vi could download that knowledge, or parts of it, thru the places like the Tree of Souls, & benefit from it - say, in healings. Not that they fully depend on that knowledge, or it completely defined them as people - but it could be enriching. Or something.

Maybe that dude who is conversing with you dropped his hint trying to see the possible reaction from the fans? Could it be?
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:29 PM
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I am sorry that I have not responded sooner. Oeyä Muntxate was in the hospital all last week, and there was no internet coverage.
I think that Cameron was aware of our longing for an answer to that Core Hunger that AllRock mentions. I hope that Cameron recognizes that a departure from the original concept of Eywa, would alienate his fan base which has an innate "Native" spiritual concept. (be it Celtic, Native American, or the many Eastern religious perceptions.)
Though Gaia is not supposed to be sentient, neither was Eywa. In the movie, Neytiri is surprised and says "Eywa has heard you!" though she had previously explained that Eywa does not take sides.
I like the collective energy notion mentioned in the Teachings of Don Juan, as well. The introduction of Grace's energy/memories, would have influenced the Whole to recognize and act upon the threat of greedy Corporate destruction and subjugation.
Even if, the movie tried to portray Ewya as a construct of biotech and a superior race, I hope that Cameron does not allow Avatar to become Matrix or Ancient Alien Astronaut Theorists! I do believe that our collective longing would overcome that concept! Eywa lives and we live within Eywa.
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Eywa to me is one of the manifestations/facets of a single all encompassing. God that created everything out of nothing, and without who's constant energy input, space time would cease to exist.
This God, Jahweh, Allah, Eywa, choose whichever name you feel most comfortable with, will appear to each individual in whichever form the individual in question is most comfortable, and Spiritually intimate with.
Ateyo and I have talked about this among ourselves a lot since someone who seems to be one of the ghost writers of the basic story line of the movie stated that Eywa may turn out to be a very powerful human/computer cyborg.
If that were be the case, Ateyo and I would justcwalk away from the whole movie series, it would throw icewater on our very spirits.
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It is impossible for Eywa to become "tainted" by humans oeya yawnetu alor. In the movie Mowat says "She is WITH EYWA now", not she has become her, or attained symbiosis with her.
Grace was mearly in the presence of Eywa, she herself attained No deity by being in Eywa's presence.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:08 PM
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Ma AllRock! (Ran Tskxe!) Irayo ma Tsmukan, for sharing the website called Ancient Wisdom Rising! Oeru sunu tsat!

Ma Oeyä Muntxate Alor! I believe that we each have that spiritual DNA that connects us to the Mother. I think we each enhance and fulfill the Complexity by our very awareness and growth. The absence of body only serves to ease the completion. But I believe that Deity exists without us, only noting our separateness from the Whole.

In viewing the Smarty Plants video, I am struck that we humans tend to measure "intelligence" only in terms of language or hands, i.e. the use of tools to impact the environment. Whales, for instance, have an intricate language that involves tonalities but not words. They have flippers and have no intention of modifying their environment. Yet segments of the human population hunt these creatures for food in sheer disregard for their advanced intelligence.

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... Eywa may turn out to be a very powerful human/computer cyborg.
If that were be the case, Ateyo and I would justcwalk away from the whole movie series, it would throw icewater on our very spirits
if that happens JC can count me out of his fans - although it will not change my feelings for the original Avatar and all it means to me.

But I have my trust in James Cameron - he manages to make sequels as good as the original movies, look at Terminator + Terminator 2, and all 'Alien(s)... each one is a good movie in its own right. And as I noticed it is Very difficult to make a sequel that would be worthy of the first movie, for all I loved the first Matrix, the second was a huge disappointment (I guess they wanted to surf the hype & made it slap-slap - & it didn't work, not for me).

Back to Avatar & the sequels... Why to start the theme of the flow of energy, the ancestors who live within Eywa, the bond (feel what the other feels), all energy is borrowed, & one day it must be given back... only to explain all this later with some ... cyborg?? Naaah, that seems too simplistic to me. But I prefer to, first, watch Avatar 2, and then make conclusions.

Although! the concept of an ancient race that maybe lived on Pandora a very, very, very long time ago, somehow, reminds me of this legend - I don't really know why, maybe it's 'the ancestral knowledge' .

Also, remember my pre-Avatar dream? It was so vivid that after I was asking myself for a long time, what was that world, where, & who was I... & I had a strange feeling that it could be... the Earth! but such a looooong time ago that it makes no sense to ask, when. That race - the purple race - could See the flow of energy around (well at least I could in my dream) , maybe their eyes were different, or maybe they had some abilities that people lost over time. Maybe, like in the quoted above legend, they disappeared because of some catastrophy - but before that, they were in touch with other races that eventually became humans, & this knowledge & Seeing, thru generations, came to... Don Juan! & other people who can See & Feel. I am sure that, in fact, all of us can See, only that this talent is normally latent, but it can be awakened with proper training.

So, going back to your OP, I don't agree with Eywa as a construct, or a super-cyborg - but the knowledge that is shared thru Eywa between different generations, & different Na'vi races that live on Pandora, sort of rings the bell.
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Ateyo and I will probably wait till the movie has been out about six months, and see what everyone on sites like this one say about the nature of Eywa before we go to see it. By THEN, we WON'T have to worry about parking, or unruly kids, if the general plot passes our muster, we will just go to "Wally World ", and BUY a DVD. SHOOT, we didn't see AVATAR the first time till November of 2011 when it was on Cable.
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