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Old 03-25-2011, 10:26 PM
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Martin and Hazel Quarrier are small-town fundamentalist missionaries sent to the jungles of South America to convert the Indians. Their remote mission was previously run by the Catholics, before the natives murdered them all. They are sent by the pompous Leslie Huben, who runs the missionary effort in the area but who seems more concerned about competing with his Catholic 'rivals' than in the Indians themselves. Hazel is terrified of the Indians while Martin is fascinated. Soon American pilot Lewis Moon joins the Indian tribe but is attracted by Leslie's young wife, Andy. Can the interaction of these characters and cultures, and the advancing bulldozers of civilization, avoid disaster?

This movie was one of the inspirations for James Cameron.
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Wow... interesting plot (with a few hints of "The Mission"), as well as an all-star cast.

...and the music is by Zbigniew Preisner!!!
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Martin and Hazel Quarrier are small-town fundamentalist missionaries sent to the jungles of South America to convert the Indians. Their remote mission was previously run by the Catholics, before the natives murdered them all. They are sent by the pompous Leslie Huben, who runs the missionary effort in the area but who seems more concerned about competing with his Catholic 'rivals' than in the Indians themselves. Hazel is terrified of the Indians while Martin is fascinated. Soon American pilot Lewis Moon joins the Indian tribe but is attracted by Leslie's young wife, Andy. Can the interaction of these characters and cultures, and the advancing bulldozers of civilization, avoid disaster?

This movie was one of the inspirations for James Cameron.
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...oh, dear. Please tell me the Indians DON'T get converted.
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What would be wrong with th-- oh yeah. Catholics.

...Well, even so. What would be wrong with that?
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What would be wrong with th-- oh yeah. Catholics.
And the other Christians - yes, let's just go in and teach them OUR religion because clearly their own is WRONG and they need to be saved, and never mind that they have their own spirituality that is tied into their own way of life and their own history and their own culture and their own ethics, because Christianity is the RIGHT religion and they are wrong and immoral. *rolls eyes* And I don't particularly want to watch something where the missionaries succeed, because it's depressing. So much native culture and society gets destroyed when that happens.
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Umm... you clearly haven't looked into the many examples of mission groups that have made an incredibly positive effect on other cultures, including Africa, South America, the caribbean isles, China, and many other places where people in poverty and oppression are helped and taught many more things than just "Christianity", making education a high priority for the unlearned, and are the primary source of food drives and donation systems all across the world (and don't forget the world-famous Red Cross; a Christian organization). Did I mention Mother Teresa?

I'm not sure what magazines you've been reading, or what movies you've watched, because reality isn't like that. Where're you from, again?

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What would be wrong with that?
What would be wrong with something as disgustingly culturally imperialist as replacing their mythology with an alien one popular in the West?

Oh yeah, they do plenty of good work as well. If only these missionaries could leave their beliefs at home.
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Umm... you clearly haven't looked into the many examples of mission groups that have made an incredibly positive effect on other cultures, including Africa, South America, the caribbean isles, China, and many other places where people in poverty and oppression are helped and taught many more things than just "Christianity", making education a high priority for the unlearned, and are the primary source of food drives and donation systems all across the world (and don't forget the world-famous Red Cross; a Christian organization). Did I mention Mother Teresa?

I'm not sure what magazines you've been reading, or what movies you've watched, because reality isn't like that. Where're you from, again?
I'm from Australia. I'm not saying missionaries don't do good things, they do. They also have done so much harm, replacing the native mythology and religion with a foreign one...that's imperialist. That's saying "your ways are not as good as ours". And all of that education wouldn't have been needed if the area wasn't a colony, or forced to deal with Western empires.

And...well, have heard of the Stolen Generation? Should really be plural. Aboriginal children were taken away from their mothers (in a lot of cases literally ripped out of their arms) and put onto missions, put into white man's clothes, beaten if they spoke their own language, made to learn white man's ways and white man's culture because it was seen as a good thing. To take them away and educate them. The by-produce? Cultural genocide, massive societal damage and psychological scaring that is STILL felt to this day. All thanks to people forcing their ways on the indigenous population, thanks to missionaries and the governments that supported them and their attitude.

Aid agencies? I have no problem with. I really honestly don't, they do good work. Actual missionaries? Yes, I have a problem there. It does take a certain kind of arrogance to go into an area with the attitude that your way of life is better than the native one. Even if you have the best of intentions.

So, yeah, that's why I was asking. Because I DON'T want to see the missionaries succeeding in a film. *shrugs*
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Umm... you clearly haven't looked into the many examples of mission groups that have made an incredibly positive effect on other cultures, including Africa, South America, the caribbean isles, China, and many other places where people in poverty and oppression are helped and taught many more things than just "Christianity", making education a high priority for the unlearned, and are the primary source of food drives and donation systems all across the world (and don't forget the world-famous Red Cross; a Christian organization). Did I mention Mother Teresa?

I'm not sure what magazines you've been reading, or what movies you've watched, because reality isn't like that. Where're you from, again?
She's referring to the loss of unique cultures by their assimilation into Christianity and the subsequent loss of diversity.

You're playing with fire by discussing this, and you know it. You of all people here should know it.

You might being doing some of the other people here a favor by avoiding the discussion of such things (or at least moving this to debate) and just focusing on the film.
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I really don't see the problem with converting people to a peaceful religion without the use of force, but rather example. Some of these cultures come to want to be a part of Christianity. These decisions are by choice. Why is it a "bad thing" that they've stopped believing in something they used to? Why is "diversity" so incredibly important among belief systems? I'm really not understanding... this. It isn't "imperialism"; these people choose what they want to believe.

If you were to travel to these locations where missionaries were, and started protesting their purpose of being there, you'd be imposing your own beliefs that their beliefs should be maintained. That's quite an offensive act of selfishness, especially considering how no one is forced to believe anything, and how all converts do so by their own desire. To deny free will like that is wrong. It's intolerance like this that makes the world an impossible place to ever obtain peace, because fanatics that want a "constant, unchanging world" won't let anything move forward. If the majority of the world still believed this, we'd still be using stone tools.


@Raiden: I didn't start this discussion...

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Old 03-26-2011, 01:26 AM
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I really don't see the problem with converting people to a peaceful religion without the use of force, but rather example. Some of these cultures come to want to be a part of Christianity. These decisions are by choice. Why is it a "bad thing" that they've stopped believing in something they used to? Why is "diversity" so incredibly important among belief systems? I'm really not understanding... this. It isn't "imperialism"; these people choose what they want to believe.

If you were to travel to these locations where missionaries were, and started protesting their purpose of being there, you'd be imposing your own beliefs that their beliefs should be maintained. That's quite an offensive act of selfishness, especially considering how no one is forced to believe anything, and how all converts do so by their own desire. To deny free will like that is wrong.


@Raiden: I didn't start this discussion...
Woodsprite, if you don't understand how detrimental Westerinzation and cultural assimilation is....Well, all I can say is, look at it in terms of the Na'vi. If you still don't get, then *shrugs* Oh, well.

I am so not in the right headspace for any further debate, and you and I clearly have different views on this. But I do have my reasons for my own point of view, which I explained to you when you asked.
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These decisions are by choice.
Pacific Island cultures chose to start cargo cults. Sometimes merely being there in sufficient numbers and with access to what appears to local people to be vast riches can be an act of cultural imperialism.
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Really, This sort of thing disgusts me. People who go somewhere to enforce their pathetic beliefs on other people, in extremely destructive ways.
What is even worse is when someone then implies that defending people's right to their own way of life is somehow wrong.
I expected more, even from you, you don't have to agree with such crimes just because you have the same invisible friend.


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Pacific Island cultures chose to start cargo cults. Sometimes merely being there in sufficient numbers and with access to what appears to local people to be vast riches can be an act of cultural imperialism.
Exactly. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
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I'm just saying it's wrong to go against free choice, which is what a protestor in that sense would be doing. It's their choice, let them do what they will.



EDIT: This looks like an interesting movie! I think I'll watch it sometime. What are other people's thoughts on watching this movie that Susano'o brought up?

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